"Immigration into this country keeps inflation down.."

[durruti02]

Anti-immigration is inconsistent with r/w views? Better tell the BNP!

black and white does not exist in the real world .. things are so not simple as you would like them to be e.g.

bosses are overwhelmingly right wing politically and socially .. and overwhelmingly PRO (cheap labour) immigration

the BNP are overwhelmingly right wing etc etc .. but are not strictly anti immigration but are very against non commonwealth immigration mainly on racist/cultural grounds

trade union members are probably overwhelmingly left wing ( to a degree) ... and overwhelmingly against immigration being used for cheap labour

trade unions leaders are supposed to be left wing but seem to accept neo liberalism ... and argue cheap labour migration has been beneficial to the w/c when the evidence ( see e.g. OP) is totally in contradiction of this

 

[durruti02]

Exactly Fruitloop.



The point I've made time and again is that the elite in society want to use cheap labour, often cheap immigrant labour and are also happy to see anti immigrant feelings used to divide the working class. Of course some on the right are also genuinely completely anti immigrant and against all immigration but capital itself needs immigrants and the more segmented and divided the working class is the better, from th epoint of view of the capitalist elite.

confused? surely it is you and TB who are correct here NOT fruitloop .. the MAIN right wing political group in this country ( the elite) is PRO immigration ..

 

[audiotech]

confused? surely it is you and TB who are correct here NOT fruitloop .. the MAIN right wing political group in this country ( the elite) is PRO immigration ..

If that's the case why all the deportations and controls?

 

[becky p]

confused? surely it is you and TB who are correct here NOT fruitloop .. the MAIN right wing political group in this country ( the elite) is PRO immigration ..

I think that is essentially true. But i also think that they are much more pro white immigration. The UK made it far easier for people from the new eu countries to work here than France or Germany did.
That has had a knock on effect on people from Africa and the Caribean, who no longer find it so easy to get work in the UK.

 

[urbanrevolt]

If that's the case why all the deportations and controls?

It's reasonably simple in my opinion.

The bosses are pro immigration anti immigrant- why? So as to more easily segment the workforce- illegal workers are harder to unionise, find it harder to organise, are more prepared to work long hours at shit pay.

I know an Iraqi for example who works 20 hours a day for £50!

Some on here I think succeeed in setting up a false debate- e.g. durutti on other threads has agreed that migrant and non-migrant workers should organise together, that we should oppose immigration controls and so on but rarely mentions it- though often mentions that the bosses use immigration.

 

[durruti02]

If that's the case why all the deportations and controls?

MC .. it is control mechanism!! let em in to do cheap labour but don't let em think they can get their feet under the table .. .. cheap labour and immigration controls are part of the same right wing economic package ..


but also remember that deportations are a tiny % of total migrants

 

[durruti02]

It's reasonably simple in my opinion.

The bosses are pro immigration anti immigrant- why? So as to more easily segment the workforce- illegal workers are harder to unionise, find it harder to organise, are more prepared to work long hours at shit pay.

I know an Iraqi for example who works 20 hours a day for £50!

Some on here I think succeeed in setting up a false debate- e.g. durutti on other threads has agreed that migrant and non-migrant workers should organise together, that we should oppose immigration controls and so on but rarely mentions it- though often mentions that the bosses use immigration.

.. i have mentioned organising together many many times .. and the reason i do not mention that ALL the time is that we already ALL agree on this ..

what we do NOT yet all agree on is the insideous use of migration by the bosses .. ( though you clearly accept this) so yes i could be seen to be concentrating on that ..

i also find it hard to understand how people do not understand how border controls are actually NOTHING to do with immigration .. immigration is a function of employment - controls are simply that controls ..

btw i was smeared over and over again for saying much of what you say e.g. above, a couple of years back on here .. what has changed? is it that the facts of how migrants are used and abused have become clear in the real non U75 world?? or HAS it been cos i and others have banged away at this subject?? i suspect a bit of both