Immigration and political correctness/"preferential treatment"

[ViolentPanda]

aka 'my name is lbj and all i do is post patronising arrogant rhetoric and refuse to acknowledge the reality of situations as perceived and experienced by some people thereby invalidating there opinions and therefore there perspectives. I do however like the working classess to do as they are told just like the facists i proport to be differerent from'

"Arrogant patroniser accuses someone of being an arrogant patroniser shocker!!!"

 

[ViolentPanda]

No it is you who patronise workingclass people by suggesting that they have no opinions. You see your above post undermines your own ideological non-logic you fucking Troll.

He hasn't said that the working class have no opinions, he said they don't have a opinion. In other words the working class(es) don't have a single unitary opinion that is shared by them unanimously.
I mean, surely you've actually noticed that in your decades of political activism?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well that would indeed be patronising were anyone to suggest it. Luckily for me, I haven't.

What I do not accept, and this is essentially what I've been saying all along, is the assertion that that which a person who has been economically marginalised believes to be the cause of their marginalisation is necessarily correct simply because they are the marginalised ones. People have all kinds of wrong ideas about lots of things. Many people only dimly understand the system of exploitation that has robbed them of what could and should be theirs. Scapegoats are provided by the likes of the BNP, and 'you can't get a council house/job because of immigration' is one of the most damnable utter lies that they peddle. You, as a self-styled defender of working class interests, ought to be the loudest in denouncing such pernicious lies. Shame on you for not doing so.

Many people, regardless of their class, don't want to understand the system that exploits them. They know that it does, but to acknowledge it means having to perhaps do something about it.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

No it is you who patronise workingclass people by suggesting that they have no opinions. You see your above post undermines your own ideological non-logic you fucking Troll.

bye

 

[tbaldwin]

No, it shows that the Indian economy has a very steep divide between those with wealth and those without. Given that most emigrants from India are "middle class" and in the upper 10% of the earning scale, perhaps it's you spouting the "reactionary nonsense".

Again.

Bit suprised at your post there VP. Thought you had worked things out a bit better by now.
My arguement has been that Economic migration creates a more unequal world. And that Economic migration generally suits better off people. The example of India completely backs this up.
Not so long ago, some people on urban were still clinging to the hopeless remittances justify economic migration arguement. I argued that remittances generally went to better off families and further widened the wealth divide in poorer countries.....

 

[ViolentPanda]

Bit suprised at your post there VP. Thought you had worked things out a bit better by now.
My arguement has been that Economic migration creates a more unequal world. And that Economic migration generally suits better off people. The example of India completely backs this up.

How so?
Because from where I'm sitting you're putting all the blame on people emigrating from India, and none on any structural or infrastructural problems India has that might cause people to emigrate from there.

Not so long ago, some people on urban were still clinging to the hopeless remittances justify economic migration arguement. I argued that remittances generally went to better off families and further widened the wealth divide in poorer countries.....

Yes, I remember that argument. I also recall that your argument was based on your own opinions rather than on any evdence you'd dug up. Has some evidence that people should know about come to light since then?

 

[tbaldwin]

How so?
Because from where I'm sitting you're putting all the blame on people emigrating from India, and none on any structural or infrastructural problems India has that might cause people to emigrate from there.

Yes, I remember that argument. I also recall that your argument was based on your own opinions rather than on any evdence you'd dug up. Has some evidence that people should know about come to light since then?

1 Sorry but that is a bit daft VP. I am arguing continuosly that economic migration is a factor in increasing inequality NOT the ONLY factor.

2 We could go on and on forever with our fascinating arguement on evidence and statistics.....I say i dont trust them much as so many are biased bullshit....IME which i suspect is a great deal more than yours...
And you say aaagh your arguements must be wrong because you dont show any evidence.....
But the evidence that remittances has an overall positive effect on poorer nations just doesnt exist does it?
And common sense and experience tells me and tells you that the people most likely to benefit from remittances are the families of better off in those countries......

 

[smokedout]

We could go on and on forever with our fascinating arguement on evidence and statistics.....I say i dont trust them much as so many are biased bullshit

fuck me youre thick, evidence is biased bullshit

sure balders, what you think is actually far more credible than flimsy hard facts

ive argued with fundie christians who have more sense of rationality than you do, at least their prejudices are written down and understandable, you just spout the first fukcing garbage you come up with and demand thats its more worthy than things that can be shown to be truth

mad fucker

 

[tbaldwin]

Smoked out...Being called thick by someone like you is a bit of a joke. You need to examine some facts at times tho clearly you made a plonker of yourself in trying to claim that enfield was posh. And then later that the white working class made up the majority of every london borough.
What a donut.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

And common sense and experience tells me and tells you that the people most likely to benefit from remittances are the families of better off in those countries......

We've been over this before, and it simply isn't true in the case of Spain. Not true at all. It was sons and daughters from poorer families who move abroad to work.

Relying on common sense is a dangerous thing to do. Common sense is what you fall back on as a last resort when there is no other source of information to go on.

 

[tbaldwin]

We've been over this before, and it simply isn't true in the case of Spain. Not true at all. It was sons and daughters from poorer families who move abroad to work.

Relying on common sense is a dangerous thing to do. Common sense is what you fall back on as a last resort when there is no other source of information to go on.

Yeah. To a degree your right relying on common sense is problematic. But what passes as facts evidence statistics etc is often just rubbish.
The people who produce evidence and statistics are very rarely doing it from a totally uninterested unbiased basis.
The BNP publish statistics to try and back up their prejudices,the taxpayers alliance do it, ONS do it,the Labour party do it.....Lots of statistics from vested interests...