littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's in fact saying that the state should have a say in where you can live. It's a fucking totalitarian idea in practice.
Immigrants 'do not get unfair access to social housing'
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marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
No, I was answering your specific question.
You haven't answered my question from earlier: if non UK born people are more likely than UK born to have needs which put them at the front of the queue, how come the same proportion of UK borns and non UK borns are in social housing once you remove the refugee cases?
he is denying that housing policy is thatcherite so i want to check he is NOT one him or herself
where did you get that from ?
thats not what i said, and it a daft line of argument
this is the policy you say you argue for, its full of holes and frankly completely unworkable in practice
so why argue for something that can never happen
Silver_Fox
New Member
durutti everything you say seems to be very vague. As someone says, what does local even mean? And will there be exceptions?
Also this thread is about housing, so not really sure how that is irrelevant.
I've justed two things:
1) A mass build of social housing
2) Strong trade unions run by the rank and file
What else do you suggest?
In what practical ways should current housing priorities be changed? Should homeless families not be the priority given that if they aren't housed it will mean children on the street?
Also what do you suggest is done about mass immigration? It's no good constantly complaining about it if you haven't got any answers.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I stated that one of the contradictory effects of Thatcher's drive for home ownership was that it created a less mobile workforce. Do you disagree that home ownership means less mobility. If you do, I'd like to hear your reasoning.
BUT a completely open global open borders situation can only REALISTICALLY exist within one of absolute capitalism.
or absolute communism
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That's a big statement that needs justifying.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
plus it reduced the available council stock as social house building went into decline in the late 80s, the housing associations have never been geared up enough to meet the demand
tbh i find that stat hard to believe .. i am sure you read the report so you will have seen that migrant groups are NOT homogenous .. so many migrant groups e.g. poles or indians are not big users of social housing .. others are .. so it balances to an extent .. the fact remains nearly a million non uk born people are in social housing while millions ahve been on or remain on the waiting list and like you gave up ..
and the question returns WHY do we have these immigrants here? why are we as ac society having to find houses we do not have for workers who are not needed?
this is the question all of you fail to answer over and over
why teh fuck to people not read peoples posts on here .. i have quite clearly stated only a couple of posts up that i believe it is the job of the unions and w/c people to enforce this .. not the state
and do you think i do????????? blame them????? can you point to any occassion i have ever suggested migrants should be blamed??????
look do you support sweat shops? i hope not .. but do you condemn those who work in them? of course not .. it is the same here .. i condemn how neo liberalism creates economic migration yet i do NOT blame those who migrate
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It is the job a union not to represent all of its members equally?
well fuck off and give up then .. i want a better society where people do NOT have to migrate to care for their loved ones .. you do not .. so stop fucking me about
again .. it is a thatcherite system that favours social mobility over commnunity cohesion .. any socialist woudl argue against it
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
what does this have to do with social housing when the vast majority of economic migrants do not qualify for it?
yes though who are in it .. not those who are outside itIt is the job a union not to represent all of its members equally?
that is simply not true .. it is easier to move in private ownership that social housing ( thouogh even there choice based lettings has changed that )
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
there's been immigration to this country for hundreds of years, and emmigration, how far do you want to go back to get rid of immigrants? my dad has only been in this country for 54 years, can he stay? my mum arrived here in 1958 is it ok for her to stay too?
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
So complain about the answers in the survey then. That's the best you can do.
In answer to your question, it's not one I would ever consider answering. I don't consider human beings as something which is "needed" or "not needed".
You answered the substantive point a few pages back. You believe that, as long as there is a housing shortage (something we all agree is a bad thing), UK born people should be allowed to jump the queue ahead of non UK born people who have been on the list longer.
Spion
I hear ya
Fucking hell. You've lost it
It's a stupidly arbitrary and divisive approach, isn't it? Durrutti never wants to define 'local' properly if you push either.
Next week Durrutti socks it to the homeless and chaotic types who have the bleeding cheek to jump the housing queue. Fucking winos taking our (local) London council houses.
Next week Durrutti socks it to the homeless and chaotic types who have the bleeding cheek to jump the housing queue. Fucking winos taking our (local) London council houses.
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
Damn right! There's been immigration to this country for thousands of years, not just hundreds. It's not a problem, it never has been. The problems are a small number of wealthy and powerful people hoarding most of the resources of the country, and small minded xenophobic idiots who won't accept their neighbours being any different to them.
Likewise in other countries there has been emigration for thousands of years, and that's also not a problem. Again the greedy rich are a problem there too.
That's ALL.
Incidentally, I arrived in this country in 1965. Do I get thrown out, and where do I go, since I was born in a country my parents had only been in for three years. How about all the Brits who have gone abroad, do they all get sent back here? What about their descendents? Where would we house all the Americans? The whole argument is utter nonsense.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
That could be very easily misconstrued at the very least. I'd think about that line very carefully.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Sums it up. I'm outta here. Durruti, baldwin and the other anti-immigration fuckwits are not worth it.
Agreed btw Spion. Durrutti's anti-migrant diatribe is a little wearing, giving it the big 'why do WE allow them to come here'
I mean, there's no reason why those old commonwealth types and beyond may look up to the mother nation and think of possibly migrating there. Especially after years of being told how marvellously civilised and decent Blighty was, combined with your countries resources being despoiled to fuel the Empire and suffering years of instability after independence was granted. I mean, no reason to move at all. How dare those chupsty natives think of moving to this green and pleasant land.
I mean, there's no reason why those old commonwealth types and beyond may look up to the mother nation and think of possibly migrating there. Especially after years of being told how marvellously civilised and decent Blighty was, combined with your countries resources being despoiled to fuel the Empire and suffering years of instability after independence was granted. I mean, no reason to move at all. How dare those chupsty natives think of moving to this green and pleasant land.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
and durrutti welcomes the right sort of immigrants
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