Immigrants 'do not get unfair access to social housing'

[marty21]

http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/story.aspx?storycode=6505360

it's a report from the Equality and Human Rights Commission, a government quango, it does confirm that there is an impression (which is encouraged by the BNP) that there is queue jumping, and it's the impression of queue jumping that the government has to counter as I doubt too many people will take the trouble to read a report which dispels this particular and popular myth.

 

[Stoat Boy]

http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/story.aspx?storycode=6505360

it's a report from the Equality and Human Rights Commission, a government quango, it does confirm that there is an impression (which is encouraged by the BNP) that there is queue jumping, and it's the impression of queue jumping that the government has to counter as I doubt too many people will take the trouble to read a report which dispels this particular and popular myth.

I guess the problem is that a lot of people are not going to trust the messanger.

One of the many legacys of this Government is that they are viewed as being unable to tell the truth, even if their lives depended on it and an organisation such as the EHRC are always going to be treated with a great deal of distrust by many of the people who have the perception that social housing is unfairly distributed to immigrants.

 

[5t3IIa]

I heard about this on Today. Much of the impression is dow to the fact that the social housing stock has been sold off so it is now privately rented and it appears that 'council estates' are full of suspicious looking brown people when actually they are all paying rent on ex-LA stock.

 

[Stoat Boy]

I heard about this on Today. Much of the impression is the social housing stock has been sold off so when it is privately rented and so it lookes like 'council estates' are full of suspicious looking brown people when actually they are all paying rent on ex-LA stock.

I think its a bit more than that. I dont understand the detailed workings of how social housing is allocated but from what somebody posted on here people who have their asylum applications granted have to move pretty sharpish and tend to get pushed up the housing queue because their needs are deemed more urgent.

So somebody who might have been on a housing list for a fair old amount of years will see immigrants getting property sooner than them. Which creates the tension

 

[durruti02]

these reports are kind of embarressing .. they continuously note, quite rightly that much social housing has been sold off, that the % of migrants in social housing is low, but then ignore that where the demand for social housing is greatest, is where the highest % of migrants are and thus where the most tension is ( actually partially wrong see p22 in the report ) .. figures like the total % are almost irelevent as in most places there is no demand for migrants for housing

they also hide conclusion behind headlines .. on p. 15 the report quite clearly accepts immigration HAS put pressure on social housing .. yet this was not the headline put out in the media

and they again hide behind stats e.g. "90% of social housing are uk born" .. er so ok then!! but hang on, that means there are 10% who are not .. so lets do the math .. if the total is 10 million than that means 1 million are non UK born .. and concentrate these into areas of greatest housing needs and there is an issue whether they admit it or not .. i saw another figure that says the total is 8 million so 800k

the report in p22 notes that in London actually there is a significant % increase of social housing over total numbers than nationally .. and then my PDF goes mad ..

though one last interesting point .. the report noted BME surveyed in Barking and Dagenham saying newly arrived migrants were a problem re housing


and is this report not the same as this one form last year http://www.lga.gov.uk/lga/core/page.do?pageId=435478 or is this an annual thing now?

the report also ignore the massive numbers on the LA waiting lists

http://www.lga.gov.uk/lga/core/page.do?pageId=566381

http://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_issues/the_housing_crisis

 

[butchersapron]

Good chapter in the Runymede trusts publication Who cares about the White Working Class? called The White Working Class and the Racialization of Social Housing about the BNP's use of the housing shortage and why housing is such an important issue.

 

[treelover]

The BBC has been almost gleeful about this flawed report, so much for impartiality,

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It may be a flawed report, but the basic message seems clear enough – those who have been here for more than 5 years are no more likely to have a council place than anyone else.

Refugees get preferential treatment. Damn fucking right they do. To anyone who objects to the idea of refugees being given social housing, I would ask what else they should get?

Regardless of the supply available, social housing should be allocated by need.

Could Durruti or someone else please tell me their alternative method of allocation.

 

[glenquagmire]

How so gleeful?

 

[durruti02]

The BBC has been almost gleeful about this flawed report, so much for impartiality,

they, like the IPPR and CRE have to connive in the whole deal .. the neo liberals need the cheap labour .. so they all have to pretend there is no issue ..

 

[durruti02]

It may be a flawed report, but the basic message seems clear enough – those who have been here for more than 5 years are no more likely to have a council place than anyone else.

Refugees get preferential treatment. Damn fucking right they do. To anyone who objects to the idea of refugees being given social housing, I would ask what else they should get?

Regardless of the supply available, social housing should be allocated by need.

Could Durruti or someone else please tell me their alternative method of allocation.

LBJ
the issue was never never ever housing .. it is cheap labour and a state that does not tax and invest in the work we need .. hence we have millions of migrants who we as a community and society do not need

it is a fucking disgrace we employ cheap labour to pick our food from the fields

it is a fucking disgrace we have to import doctors dentists and nurses cos we have not invested in these professions

IF we had not got into this fucked up thatcherite economy we would absorb refugees with no issues .. as it is the are becoming victims yet again thru no fault of their own

 

[Stoat Boy]

It may be a flawed report, but the basic message seems clear enough – those who have been here for more than 5 years are no more likely to have a council place than anyone else.

Refugees get preferential treatment. Damn fucking right they do. To anyone who objects to the idea of refugees being given social housing, I would ask what else they should get?

Regardless of the supply available, social housing should be allocated by need.

Could Durruti or someone else please tell me their alternative method of allocation.

People who are born in the UK being given priority over those who come here from abroad.

British Homes for British people.

It seems a fairly simple demand.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

and what could possibly go wrong with that slogan?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Refugees are not allowed to work.

 

[durruti02]

Refugees are not allowed to work.

as i said mate refugees are being made to suffer because of the cheap labour economy .. deal with that and will be able to help refugees better

 

[tarannau]

People being born in this country already have a latent advantage you goon - they get to sign onto oversubscribed housing lists sooner.

The only immigrants who can legitimately be prioritised are asylum seekers fleeing persecution and possible threats to their life, a tiny proportion of migrants. The basic principle of the housing list - that those in most desperate need are prioritised - remains true. The problem remains the lack of social housing provision and RTB sales - most people haven't got a hope of getting a 'quick' place unless they're accepted as 'chaotic homeless alcoholic' folks in need or similar.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

as i said mate refugees are being made to suffer because of the cheap labour economy .. deal with that and will be able to help refugees better

But refugees - the only immigrants who are given preferential treatment - are not allowed to work. Your argument makes no sense whatever.

 

[durruti02]

People being born in this country already have a latent advantage you goon - they get to sign onto oversubscribed housing lists sooner.

The only immigrants who can legitimately be prioritised are asylum seekers fleeing persecution and possible threats to their life, a tiny proportion of migrants. The basic principle of the housing list - that those in most desperate need are prioritised - remains true. The problem remains the lack of social housing provision and RTB sales - most people haven't got a hope of getting a 'quick' place unless they're accepted as 'chaotic homeless alcoholic' folks in need or similar.

actually you are wrong
1) yes in the immediate it is mainly refugees but you miss key workers . and quite simply the UK as one of the richest countries in the world should not be taking people form the third world to work in the public sector
2) there is immediate but then what happens after e.g after a short time, 1 year for A8, then the large numbers awarded secure status

are you suggesting that there are 800k to 1million refugees?

of course not so there are hundreds of thousends of migrants who are then getting housing while millions of UK born ( both white and BME) who are on the waiting lists who are getting overlooked

 

[goldenecitrone]

LBJ
the issue was never never ever housing .. it is cheap labour and a state that does not tax and invest in the work we need .. hence we have millions of migrants who we as a community and society do not need

Speak for yourself you racist cunt.

 

[durruti02]

But refugees - the only immigrants who are given preferential treatment - are not allowed to work. Your argument makes no sense whatever.

you have not read the report .. it is NOT just refugees who get social housing .. as i said to tarannau .. there are 800k to 1 million non UK born in social housing .. are there that many refugees? clearly no so hundreds of thiousends of non uk born are getting social housing while 1.5 million ( or 2 not sure) of uk born ( white and BME) remain on the hosuing list and see it as queue jumping

 

[durruti02]

Speak for yourself you racist cunt.

fool

those who defend having 'blacks and slavs' clean the streets, wipe our arses in hospital, pick our fruit and veg .. they are the real racists here

 

[littlebabyjesus]

it is NOT just refugees who get social housing

But it is just refugees who get preferential treatment. Non-refugee immigrants are no more likely to get a council house than anyone else, despite their comprising a disproportionate number of the poorest of society. If they even got equal treatment, you'd expect them to be over-represented. That they are simply equally represented suggests to me that they are at a disadvantage - for the reason tarannau gives, that those born here are in fact at an advantage.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

People who are born in the UK being given priority over those who come here from abroad.

British Homes for British people.

It seems a fairly simple demand.

You're fucking mad.

 

[glenquagmire]

you have not read the report .. it is NOT just refugees who get social housing .. as i said to tarannau .. there are 800k to 1 million non UK born in social housing .. are there that many refugees? clearly no so hundreds of thiousends of non uk born are getting social housing while 1.5 million ( or 2 not sure) of uk born ( white and BME) remain on the hosuing list and see it as queue jumping

Even though those non UK born in social housing (except refugees) will have accessed it through waiting lists under exactly the same rules as UK born people?

Are you suggesting that a UK born person who has been waiting 6 months should get priority over a non UK born person who has been waiting 12 years, all other factors being equal?

 

[durruti02]

But it is just refugees who get preferential treatment. Non-refugee immigrants are no more likely to get a council house than anyone else, despite their comprising a disproportionate number of the poorest of society. If they even got equal treatment, you'd expect them to be over-represented. That they are simply equally represented suggests to me that they are at a disadvantage - for the reason tarannau gives, that those born here are in fact at an advantage.

read the report please, and then tell me how there are 800k to 1 million non UK born in social housing if only refugees get social housing

 

[smokedout]

Could Durruti or someone else please tell me their alternative method of allocation.

they never will, just like they will never tell you what should be done to reduce immigration

balders strategy is to hope the government takes it a bit more seriously as i recall whilst durretti's preferred tactic is to go on and on about it on the internet

 

[littlebabyjesus]

read the report please, and then tell me how there are 800k to 1 million non UK born in social housing if only refugees get social housing

Read my post please. Only refugees GET PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.

fuck's sake, comprehension fail.

 

[durruti02]

Even though those non UK born in social housing (except refugees) will have accessed it through waiting lists under exactly the same rules as UK born people?

Are you suggesting that a UK born person who has been waiting 6 months should get priority over a non UK born person who has been waiting 12 years, all other factors being equal?

1) yes the same rules .. but recent rules as you know which emphasise housing need over community cohesion ... it is clear the majority of uk born with housing needs, have LESS housing need than non uk born - smaller families , better current housing etc .. so if we base housing allocation on housing needs sons and daughters will almost all lose out

2) yes in a way i am .. i am looking a politics in general and how neo liberalism works from 1979 onwards and it is quite clear that as much as Thatcher was comiited to destroying the unions she was also committed to destroying communities - on yer bike, RTB, stopping building, and housing allocation - for me the key issue IF we want a better society is that we have to rebuild our divided and impotent communities .. and to do that we have to get some stability back .. we have to allow kids to live near their parents etc etc ..


housing policy is simply not designed to do this .. it is designed from the POV of neo liberalism .. i.e. how to provide housing for a mobile and up rooted and unrooted population ..

 

[durruti02]

Read my post please. Only refugees GET PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.

fuck's sake, comprehension fail.

jesus! read the fucking report

 

[littlebabyjesus]

durruti, either you are stupid and cannot understand simple statistics, or you are intentionally twisting them to suit your anti-immigrant agenda and you are indeed, as goldene says, a racist cunt.