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Immigrant Workers: Police Harrasment in Cardiff

llantwit said:
You don't have to be part of Respect's dodgy politics to be against anti-immigrant repression and deportations/detention centres.
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I have nothing against genuine immigrants.
Those who shouldnt be here know the risks they are running. If they still choose to be here then they know what fate awaits them if they get caught.
 
I find it abhorent that you accuse the police of harrassment for doing their job
You cant make the laws of this country, you cant decide which laws you believe people should follow and which you dont and therefore the police are harrassing people.People who are here illegally....
do the police harrass somali burglars for instance when they arrest them?? over to you
 
I'm glad you have nothing against "genuine" immigrants (whatever the hell that means) as I come from a whole family of them! My father came from India and his parents from Burma and India, and I am of Irish extraction on my mothers side. Glad to know that we have your blessing to stay here!

I should note that due to racist legislation brought in under the Tories. My younger brothers and sister now have to have my fathers "naturalisiation" number on their passport and other legal documents despite his having moved to this country 50 years ago and his children born and bred in the UK.

The question is how do you define genuine immigrants?

For example, it is well known that 10 years ago many people would be considered genuine asylum seekers who are now deemed illegal.

Also, the goverment is trying to make it harder and harder to claim asylum or legal status. For example, if an asylum seeker doesn't immediately apply for legal status on the day they arrive in the UK they can now be deemed illegal.

LMHF has singularly failed to answer the key question. Why should it be illegal for someone to work here if they want to?
 
LilMissHissyFit said:
I find it abhorent that you accuse the police of harrassment for doing their job
You cant make the laws of this country, you cant decide which laws you believe people should follow and which you dont and therefore the police are harrassing people.People who are here illegally....
do the police harrass somali burglars for instance when they arrest them?? over to you
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"You can't decide which laws you believe people should follow and which you don't"

Well, actually there are many laws that I don't believe people should follow.

For example, the law against demonstrating in Parliament Square. I believe people should defy it. I also supported non-payment of the Poll Tax.

Also, I don't regard the law as sacrosant, in a society in which democracy is skewered in the interests of the wealthy and powerful it is likely that the law is the same. The question is who makes the laws? In whose interests? Whose justice?

The police also aply the law selectively. It is more likely that a working class person will be penalised than a middle class person when committing the same crime.

Also, you mention burglary. Now, I have nothing against action being taken against burglary. But corporate theft and fraud often commit even bigger crimes but get away scot-free.

The owner of Farepak ruined thousands of peoples lives when he swindled them out of their savings - but the law can't and doesn't want to touch him?

Why is it that someone who dodges paying a train fare gets fined, but the rich get to move to tax havens in order to dodge paying tax
 
Thats still a complete non argument...
You havent answered the question at all...youve just waffled on about unjust laws yadda yadda...Like you always do.. never answer the question, just spout "what I believe"
Im not really sure many of us are terribly interested in your long waffling inane speeches about your political opinions you know.However you make an accusation/allegation, as you have, be ready to be challenged. You have been and have been unable to answer the question.

The law is the law.. you may not like it but it doesnt make the police 'harrassing' anyone if they have been ordered to go and raid a particular premises by the imigration bods...
 
waterloowelshy said:
how is your bedsit today? - opps sorry i mean 'studio' dahling!

and werent you the one posting threads asking why the dope had dried up in cardiff?? - and asking for advice on loading images to websites?? - sorry i must be confused as you obviously never post any threads asking for help. you pathetic excuse for a human being!

as an aside - i notice that lil missy hissy fit disagreed with op's stance - but yet you managed to refrain from personally attacking her. what are you the playground bully picking on the person with the lowest post count on the thread? - truly pathetic!
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awwww, poor dab :D
 
ddraig said:
awwww, poor dab :D
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was that the gobby ddraig not responding to a point made against him?!

would you like me to quote any more thread that you have started asking for help on these forums? - or have you decided to shut the fuck up gracefully?

and for the record and for your cronies on here please note it was you who derailed this thread first and started the personal abuse. now fuck off back to bedsit land you sad prick.
 
waterloowelshy said:
was that the gobby ddraig not responding to a point made against him?!

would you like me to quote any more thread that you have started asking for help on these forums? - or have you decided to shut the fuck up gracefully?

and for the record and for your cronies on here please note it was you who derailed this thread first and started the personal abuse. now fuck off back to bedsit land you sad prick.
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ok this should be funny :D
there are 4 or 5 inacuracies in your post before this one so go ahead...
and what point do you want me to answer again?
 
ddraig said:
ok this should be funny :D
there are 4 or 5 inacuracies in your post before this one so go ahead...
and what point do you want me to answer again?
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id quite like you to answer the point of my fist with your head! but i cant be arsed to drive around all the bedsits in Cardiff to do it!
 
So to sum up the thread so far:

Some shops in Cardiff were raided by the cops looking for people working illegally.

5 People got nicked and are (presumably) still in detention.
No real information on the action apart from that.

Some of us think it's wrong that people get nicked for going about their jobs jus cos thay ain't from this country.

Some of us think it's wrong to call someone 'illegal', which might seem like a pedantic point about language use, but to us it isn't just that, it's about dehumanisation, etc.

Jaed doesn't like swearing, and thinks it's childish.

Dic Penderyn and Llantwit like swearing.

Some of us think that 'genuine' asylum seekers and refugees are OK, and shouldn't be arrested, but that those who are here ilegally should expect to be posecuted for breaking the law, locked up, and eventually sent home.

Some of us think that ilegally employing people who aren't allowed to work is bad, leads to tax-evasion, poor working conditions, and unscrupulous employers getting rich by exploiting said workers.

Waterloowelshy thinks Ddraig lives in a bedsit (which is untrue) and is (presumably) to be mocked for living in said (imaginary) bedsit.

Ddraig thinks Waterloowelshy asks for help and advice too much on the boards and is an overall stinker.

Haylz is up for a scrap over bedsit (and related) remarks about Ddraig.

Good thread.
 
waterloowelshy said:
id quite like you to answer the point of my fist with your head! but i cant be arsed to drive around all the bedsits in Cardiff to do it!
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hmmm, so should i report ya for personal threats? or just let you dwell in that big cesspit hole u dug for yourself? hmmm
 
King Biscuit Time said:
Ddraig lives in a swanky hotel. I saw him and a mysterious lady emerging from the lobby on Monday. :);)
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sshhhhh, don't let cockboy know, he works very near to it :eek: i iz scared!!1!
 
llantwit said:
So to sum up the thread so far:

Some shops in Cardiff were raided by the cops looking for people working illegally.

5 People got nicked and are (presumably) still in detention.
No real information on the action apart from that.

Some of us think it's wrong that people get nicked for going about their jobs jus cos thay ain't from this country.

Some of us think it's wrong to call someone 'illegal', which might seem like a pedantic point about language use, but to us it isn't just that, it's about dehumanisation, etc.

Jaed doesn't like swearing, and thinks it's childish.

Dic Penderyn and Llantwit like swearing.

Some of us think that 'genuine' asylum seekers and refugees are OK, and shouldn't be arrested, but that those who are here ilegally should expect to be posecuted for breaking the law, locked up, and eventually sent home.

Some of us think that ilegally employing people who aren't allowed to work is bad, leads to tax-evasion, poor working conditions, and unscrupulous employers getting rich by exploiting said workers.

Waterloowelshy thinks Ddraig lives in a bedsit (which is untrue) and is (presumably) to be mocked for living in said (imaginary) bedsit.

Ddraig thinks Waterloowelshy asks for help and advice too much on the boards and is an overall stinker.

Haylz is up for a scrap over bedsit (and related) remarks about Ddraig.

Good thread.
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i agree with all the above boldy bits and am now just waiting for ww to say we're all "wiberal powlice bashing pc obswessed dirty cwusties" or some such non-reactionary drivel
 
ddraig said:
hmmm, so should i report ya for personal threats? or just let you dwell in that big cesspit hole u dug for yourself? hmmm
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i see no hole ddraig. apart from the great big one that constitues your life. as i have said numerous times i posted a response to the op on this thread with no personal slaggin off what so ever. its another example of you turning personal when someone disagrees with you. and as per usual you get your equally messed up mates to fight your battles with you. truly pathetic. if you wanted to argue about the facts of the thread that would have been fine but you had to turn it into a personal vendetta again!

yes i post on here for advice - but, the facts speak for themselves that so do you!! - so stop being a hypocrit.
 
waterloowelshy said:
This whole thread just seems like an excuse to have a go at the police and is so thinly veiled its pathetic.
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It's not just an excuse to get at the police - but that is one of it's functions, yeah. And there's no thin veil at all - it's quite explicitly having a go at the police. Problem?
 
llantwit said:
It's not just an excuse to get at the police - but that is one of it's functions, yeah. And there's no thin veil at all - it's quite explicitly having a go at the police. Problem?
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yes problem. as lmh as said they are just following orders. they dont make the law. they enforce it. simple really.
 
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