Imagine it's 1880, you're a Jew in Poland

[moono]

L&L;

One-sided as you can only see the Israeli aggression, and never their need for defence.

You won't be able to find even one instance of me criticising Israeli defense. They can build walls all over Israel for all I currently care. You'll find that nearly all my complaints are with Israeli aggression in Palestine.

I am one-eyed about aggression ? OK, I can accept that. Just about everybody is though , so don't single me out, thank you very much.

 

[Lock&Light]

L&L;


You won't be able to find even one instance of me criticising Israeli defense. They can build walls all over Israel for all I currently care. You'll find that nearly all my complaints are with Israeli aggression in Palestine.

Sometimes the best form of defence is attack. That's also something Fatah and Hamas have learned.

 

[rachamim18]

I would go home, to what would become Israel. As for getting there and the feasability, there were several organisations providing passage and assistance at that point.


Tangent: Well said and long time coming.

Moono: Your line about you not having any problem with Israeli defense is precious. The wall all over Palestine bit is just as good. Nobody likes aggression, true. However, you mistake a sovereign military protecting ITS population from terror to be aggressive. I tend to think though, if it was you and your kids who wake every day not knowing if the person getting on the bus will kill all of them. It is so easy to judge from a distance and from a safe vantage point.

 

[moono]

L&L;

Sometimes the best form of defence is attack. That's also something Fatah and Hamas have learned.

Look mate, there's at least one serious sicko posting here that I needs concentrate on. If you're going to single me out for attention then don't fanny about with abstracts and innuendo. If you're not, go in peace, alaikum salaam.

Rachamim, the Israeli government has admitted, to an Israeli court, that the stockade is political. Your derigible filling is gelastic.

 

[bluestreak]

Aye and look what happened to them once they landed on America's shores: they were treated to abuse...much like all immigrants to the US; but in the case of those Jews who went to the US, many of them took their socialism or anarchism with them; and were either thrown out of the country or persecuted by the state.

such is the lot of the immigrant. still, with foresight it seems like a better option than many of the others.

 

[Lock&Light]

Look mate, there's at least one serious sicko posting here that I needs concentrate on.

I'll leave you, for now, to continue your quixotic crusade.

 

[obanite]

Can't we all get along?

 

[bluestreak]

Can't we all get along?

you're new here, right?

 

[moono]

L&L;

I'll leave you, for now, to continue your quixotic crusade.

Or bring it on now. Just don't fanny about.

 

[nino_savatte]

L&L;


Or bring it on now. Just don't fanny about.

Interesting choice of word..."crusade". Do you think he's trying to tell you something?

 

[Lock&Light]

Interesting choice of word..."crusade". Do you think he's trying to tell you something?

I meant much more with the word 'quixotic'.

 

[moono]

I shall dwell on this word this very evening, as desert breezes stir the beit al-sha'r.

 

[Andy the Don]

Moono: Your line about you not having any problem with Israeli defense is precious. The wall all over Palestine bit is just as good. Nobody likes aggression, true. However, you mistake a sovereign military protecting ITS population from terror to be aggressive. I tend to think though, if it was you and your kids who wake every day not knowing if the person getting on the bus will kill all of them. It is so easy to judge from a distance and from a safe vantage point.

And is the best way to protect your population really by artillery barrages, air strikes, collective punishments, embargo's & at times extremely untargeted assinations? The Palestinians are suffering an attrition rate of 4:1, but still Israel does not feel safe. One has to ask what will it take for Israel to feel 100% safe??

 

[obanite]

you're new here, right?

been lurking on u75 for a few years now, was being facetious

 

[spring-peeper]

been lurking on u75 for a few years now, was being facetious

I keep reading that lately and I'm having a problem understanding how can you lurk without registering? Prior to reregistering, I tried to lurk but couldn't.

 

[rachamim18]

Moono: You even managed to mess that small post up. The Israeli court did NOT "find the 'Barrier' political'." However, the Israeli Supreme Court DID offer that the PATH of the "Barrier," in some places being constructed according to political considerations...meaning that the less than 6% of"West Bank" land being fenced in on the Israeli side of the "Barrier" is being fenced for purposes of annexation, not because it will increase Israel's security in any tangible way.

Andy:First off, the 4:1 rate is not only totally incorrect but utterly meaningless as well. Let us say, for argument's sake that it is accurate; What does it mean? Are you claiming that it relates to justification?

As for the superior weaponry, Israel has EVERY right to use all means at its disposal to protect its citizenry. The artillery barrages you speak of? Which oinly come AFTER daily launchings of Qassams and mortar rounds, have proven their effectiveness Before Israel began the barrages the militants were able to operate freely in northern Gaza. After the barrages though, local residents barred the terrorists from using their [or adjacent] properties so as to avoid the Israeli retaliation.

Air strikes? ABSOLUTELY as they target confirmed militant sites.


Collective punishments? Please be specific.

Embargo? Humanitarian Aid is NOT denied or prevented.

What will it take to make Israel feel safe? Well, for starters, HAMAS could ammend its Charter to remove not only all calls for the destruction of Israel, but its principles calling for the EXTERMINATION OF EVERY JEW ON EARTH.

 

[moono]

Rachamim;

Moono: You even managed to mess that small post up. The Israeli court did NOT "find the 'Barrier' political'."

I said, liarboy, that the Israeli State admitted to the court that the barrier was political. This was the first time. Previously, like you, they had lied their heads off;

State to High Court: Fence route determined not only by security considerations

By Yuval Yoaz, Haaretz Correspondent


Israel has acknowledged for the first time that not just "security" considerations were instrumental in determining the route of the West Bank separation fence.

http://www.hamoked.org.il/items/6448_eng.htm

Government spokesmen frequently claim that the barrier was built solely for security reasons and could be removed or rerouted.

But the Justice Minister, Tzipi Livni, who is helping prepare the programme of Mr Sharon's new Kadima party, told a legal conference in Caesarea: "One does not have to be a genius to see that the fence will have implications for the future border. This is not the reason it was built, but it could have political implications."

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1738



Haim Ramon, another prominent member of Mr Sharon's new party who deserted from Labour, has already said the section around Jerusalem was built for political rather than merely security reasons.

Ramon’s statement contradicted Israel’s ongoing assertion that the immense Wall is solely a security measure. It adds convincing evidence to the claim by the Wall’s detractors that the Wall is indeed political in nature, a measure used to strengthen Israel’s annexation of the city. Israel’s annexation of the city is not recognized internationally and is illegal under international law.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=PAL20050803&articleId=798

The Palestinians have been telling the truth all along. The barrier is intended as a stockade. Don't trust the lying infidel.