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Im no barista honestly, in that photo its the coca powder that makes me feel all warm and glowy inside.

That white chocolate cocoa has a heavenly cocoa buttery smell and makes the smoothest, white hot chocolate drink.

Especially if you froth the drink itself with the steamer, and THEN add extra steamed frothy milk on top. :) Chocolate truffle sprinkles to finish isnt essential, but is very nice :D
 
I shall let you off about the Whittard's cocoa, but am summoning back-up to correct your epic fail on the Whittard's coffee front.

;)
 
I shall let you off about the Whittard's cocoa, but am summoning back-up to correct your epic fail on the Whittard's coffee front.

;)
The Whittards folk were dead nice! They diid us a deal with a coffee machine, and threw in our choice of coffee with the purchase and I inveigled a deal on the chocolate too.

Gift horse VP!
 
The Whittards folk were dead nice! They diid us a deal with a coffee machine, and threw in our choice of coffee with the purchase and I inveigled a deal on the chocolate too.

Gift horse VP!

:D

All of that is fine, until you come to drink the coffee ;)
 
I was given Whittard's coffee for Christmas.

Once I tasted it I had a difficult decision to make. But in the end I knew I had to ring up my old friend and say it was horrible, in case she gave me it again next year. There was a chance I'd offend her, but the up side of that would be she crossed me off her presents list. So I went for it.
 
Decaff day? - WTF is this mad idea? :eek: :mad:

I'd put either of these decaffs up against anything Whittards is selling:

http://www.hasbean.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=44_57&products_id=1122

http://www.hasbean.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=44_57&products_id=1101

The Guatemalan... suffers... if kept for more than 4 days after opening.

The Sumatran will hold its own in terms of flavour for a good fortnight.

The Guatemalan is one of the brightest, fruitiest explosive front-of-mouth coffees I've had.

The Sumatran is far bolder, full-bodied, gloupy, with spicy / malty aftertones. And - IME - the flavour continues developing for a good five minutes after you've drunk it.
 
I prefer my instant (fairtrade, decaff) to "proper" coffee.

/devils advocate

I've got no objections to instant :D

Its not trying to be anything else, like :)

It does what it says on the tin. Nice, predictable, constant. Doesn't matter what the weather's like in a given year, doesn't matter how various regions have cropped - a commercial blend of 50 or 60 beans'll give repeatability year in, year out. Bonzer.

Whittards - great. It's a step on the ladder, aye. But - IMO - it's a shame when people are led to believe that Kenco powdered innafilterjug, or Whittards that's been sitting in an open metal tub in a room full of fragrant substances, after being roast two months earlier - is 'real' coffee.

It's - yep - one step up from Sainsbury's pre-packaged beans. But a huge proportion of the volatile oils that give most beans and blends their unique flavour will've been lost an absolute age in advance. It's like comparing strips of beef jerky - yep, there'll be nicer jerky from the prime beef steak; but the difference'll be far more noticeable if it's fresh-cooked. Likewise dried fruit. The difference'll be noticeable if the original fruit was posh quality; but a lot of the defining characteristics will've been lost with preserving processes, drying out, etc, etc.

Similarly, if its pre-ground then a bean'll lose most of its volatile compounds / oils / etc in a matter of minutes. Sniff beans five seconds after being ground, and fifteen minutes later - the difference is phenomenal.

I'd bet that you could be swayed away from instant by a decent, fresh roast, fresh ground, single origin (or even a decent blend) espresso, BC. Espresso shouldn't be bitter, or unbearable, or a thump in the face. It should be concentrated, intricate, complex, nuanced flavour.

Most of the commercial / 'proper' coffee I've tasted is... two-dimensional. Set next to top-bollocks fresh-roast fresh ground (which from Hasbean costs pretty much what it costs at Whittard) which - if well prepared - will hit every area of your mouth, every area of your tongue, and the flavours can keep on developing in your mouth, nose and throat for a good long while after you've drunk't.

If anyone thinks the point of coffee is caffeine - it saddens me. Yes, great, there's some in there. But it indicates such a... dearth... of discovery. There's so much more to an outstanding bean (be it decaff or caff) that to reduce it to the fact that some coffees have more stimulant than others just kinda suggests that there're whole dimensions missing from the beans they're drinking.

[/hobby horse]

Hi, my name's mrs quoad, and I'm an addict :rolleyes: :D
 
If anyone's interested...

http://www.coffee101.co.uk/

Well worth it, IMO. Some damned good info in there.

And - yep - I'll tend to push Hasbean too, in part because Steve's probably the biggest fresh roaster in the UK. He also offers unbeatable, personalised, friendly and responsive customer service.

If someone's looking for other UK fresh roasters, though, I'd gladly recommend Square Mile Coffee or James' Gourmet coffee. Both provide absolutely excellent [fresh-roast] beans, and both clearly know what they're doing. They have less choice than Steve - but clearly know their [fewer] beans and blends exceptionally well.

http://shop.squaremilecoffee.com

http://www.jamesgourmetcoffee.com
 
I know, 'tis morally wrong, but some offices do, or so I'm told anyway, indulge in the foul and vile practice that is the dreaded 'decaff day'.

Whoever invented it must die. Horribly.

No office I have ever worked in has had a decaff day.

Most of the offices I have ever worked in have relied on the caffeine to keep them going.

I am the freak of the office, with my decaff fairtrade coffee, my brown sugar and my goat's milk :(
 
I been shoppin'


medium roast columbian, dark roast columbian and some continental.

thank fuck

:D

in the bean of course - wanting all the grinding fun for myself.

am seriously thinking of going the green bean route - i don't mind turnng into a coffee fetishist.
 
And there we have it :D

I aren't, therefore I drink instant decaff :p

Which - if you'd read around that a bit - you'd notice I'm all for ;)

Sod the caffeine. IME caffeine is - often - a pain in the fundamentals rather than a boon. It's impossible to try and calibrate a machine or tweak a shot to perfection when you're going to be painfully caffeinated after ten or fifteen sips. And caffeine gets in the way of enjoying - e.g. a PINT of espresso :)

And instant is instant. Absolutely fine :)
 
am seriously thinking of going the green bean route - i don't mind turnng into a coffee fetishist.
a) good call.
b) I'd strongly recommend something with a 'dump' option, so's you can end the roasting curve when you want to.

The iRoast seriously suffers (IMO) because the sound of the beans hitting the glass is EXACTLY the same as the sound of second crack. And given second crack is such a necessary, audible cue to getting many roasts right... It adds a whole dimension of guesswork.

I'd heartily recommend the Hottop - it's a big outlay, but well worth it. The drum roasting adds considerable depth / complexity, and - wonder of wonders - it's virtually silent. So it's a piece of piss to know when 1st crack's started / ended, when 2nd crack's started, when 2nd crack is picking up, when 2nd crack is going furiously [i.e. DUMP unless you want a fire] - etc.

Otherwise - the iRoast = great for dipping a toe in t'roasting waters :)
 
Finally, my room at home:

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That's - in order - a 2nd hand Mazzer major [currently... misfiring / slightly unwell], a Macap M7 [burrs currently shafted after I tried to grind a screw], an Isomac Zaffiro [came back from having the thermostat fixed today, but has been dropped by the couriers in the meantime, which is why it's lurching like a drunkard], an Elektra Micro Casa a Leva [new today!] and a Hottop drum roaster [the SECOND mostly-functional piece of kit] :D

The Gaggia Classic's on the floor :D
 
Finally, my room at home:

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That's - in order - a 2nd hand Mazzer major [currently... misfiring / slightly unwell], a Macap M7 [burrs currently shafted after I tried to grind a screw], an Isomac Zaffiro [came back from having the thermostat fixed today, but has been dropped by the couriers in the meantime, which is why it's lurching like a drunkard], an Elektra Micro Casa a Leva [new today!] and a Hottop drum roaster [the SECOND mostly-functional piece of kit] :D

The Gaggia Classic's on the floor :D

And I thought I was fancy for not using Nescafe.
 
Medium / dark roast when?



Grinding with what, for what? Whirly-blade grinder = fantastic for cafetiere, but won't work for espresso / some vacpots.

I mix the two columbians together, cos i like it like that :p

errrrrrrrrr let me check

*checks*

Krups whirlyblade grinder, cheap but good. i'm a cafetiere/attic gal myself. Attic ? it's like a cafetiere that holds all the fluid in but when placed over a mug will cunningly dispense the sacred fluid into it, leaving solids behind in said device.

t'is a most impressive setup you have there Mrs Quoad. I'm minded to move in :D
 
a) good call.
b) I'd strongly recommend something with a 'dump' option, so's you can end the roasting curve when you want to.

The iRoast seriously suffers (IMO) because the sound of the beans hitting the glass is EXACTLY the same as the sound of second crack. And given second crack is such a necessary, audible cue to getting many roasts right... It adds a whole dimension of guesswork.

I'd heartily recommend the Hottop - it's a big outlay, but well worth it. The drum roasting adds considerable depth / complexity, and - wonder of wonders - it's virtually silent. So it's a piece of piss to know when 1st crack's started / ended, when 2nd crack's started, when 2nd crack is picking up, when 2nd crack is going furiously [i.e. DUMP unless you want a fire] - etc.

Otherwise - the iRoast = great for dipping a toe in t'roasting waters :)

many thanks for the advice - i was thinking of an iRoast, as a way of deciding if i have the stamina for DIY roasting.

the review mentions smoke - just how much smoke do these beasties generate - burnt toast type smoke or evecuate the kitchen type ?
 
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