William of Walworth said:
I'm a lefty
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likesfish said:Brighton they lost the stock transfer vote massively
another nail in the coffin of privatisation. we should send Ruth Kelly to an early grave, I reckon
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
William of Walworth said:Apols to likesfish for derailing .... you won't get any apology from 'Frank', that's for sure, so it might as well be from me ...
More on topic later when I can -- council housing a particular interest of mine.
ETA :
Alan Walter, someone very active with Defend Council Housing in London, has this to say -- Give us a real choice : the government seems determined to force council tenants into the hands of private landlords
As anyone who's actually read any recent posts from me on this subject++ will know, I strongly agree with him ... I'm not as active with DCH as I should be, laziness/inactivity is a recent valid criticism of my politics, but DCH seem to be among the few groups speaking up for our CHOICE as council tenants to remain tenants and not be subject to enforced stock transfers.
++as opposed to sneering, formerly banned, returning, identity concealing wankers who mindlessly recycle worn out lies from other sites to unilaterally label me and others as 'liberals' and who pour snide scorn on my 'claims' to be left wing and in support of TUsCunts.
Unfortunate for the DHC, him being called Alan Walter.
A bit close to the arch-scumbag Thatcherite Pinochet-loving economist Alan Walters.
Fisher_Gate
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liampreston said:
Didn't see your post until after I'd done mine.
27% of the vote across five inner city wards, second in four of them, is hardly an awful result - as you well know the FPTP electoral system is biased against those whose vote is spread out evenly, rather than concentrated in enclaves.
And don't complain about defectees - ironically the Lib Dems actually have a councillor in those five inner city wards despite not winning an election there, because a Tory managed to squeeze through the middle of a split Respect/Labour vote and then defected the LibDems. The last time you won a seat was with that paragon of LibDem virtue, Alan Valentine; the less said about him the better from your point of view!
Unfortunately two of those five wards contested by Respect in the last couple of elections have no election this year, but we'll win at least one of the other three (whether or not the LibDems can find another candidate to fill your shoes and arrest the terminal decline in your votes).
And according to your fellow LibDem 'Doktorbuk', there's no 'hopefully' about you standing in another ward as he's posted on Wikipedia that you are standing in Tulketh ward, allegedly against Valerie Wise standing for Respect!
(unless you are doktorbuk - in which case you should see a Doctor yourself for treatment)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Council_election_2007#Tulketh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doktorbuk
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liampreston said:Harsh indeed but thanks F_G. Indeed, Avenham and Frenchwood was a hard fight, but I am happy with the results because whilst I failed to make much of a headway into the ward I did give people the chance to vote Liberal Democrat in local elections, and I hope we have another LibDem candidate for this year.
All things being well, I will be fighting another ward this year. I lookforward to seeing how well Wespec' do in the elections in Preston, having done so awfully well last year by not winning a single ward
I didn't realise you were a wiberal.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
treelover said:
Keep up at the back there ...
William of Walworth said:You are right of course
But it is very annoying to have my longstanding politics lied about elsewhere and to have those lies repeated ... especially when it's obvious where they came from, and even more obvious that those who retail them** are either formerly banned returners, or those who listen to the sneery lies of exiles on other forums ...
**in the case of 'Frank', or should I call him flims???it was one of those particularly infuriating 'subtle' yet obvious digs ... didn't even have the guts to refer to me directly or make his beef clear ....
William nobody cares.
I don't know you IRL. I respect what you say on here a lot of the time. However, you do seem to have a slight percecution complex. Those you sight as mocking or misrepresenting you have very little sway with the nutral amongst us.
I wish you'd stop validating them and atributing them more power than they actually have.
As you were.
JHE
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Not half!
Will, did you or didn't you call yourself a "lefty trade unionist"?
I think you did. Don't be offended when people mention your self-designation. Be proud.
BTW, is there a special union for 'lefties'?
National Society of Shouty Badge-Wearing Slogan-Mongers, Paper-Seller and Allied Berks? NSSBWSMPSAB is bit of a tricky mouthful. It lacks vowels.
Come on, gi' us a better name.. a pronounceable name.
Anyway this thread is another example of the left's petty factionalism.
Well done guys.
If you the politcally educated can't sort out a cohearant set of ideas amongst you and agree on basic ways forward. Is it any fucking wonder the rest of us who have daned not to read Das Capital or study Politix view you with derision.
I'm left wing in the sens I support unions, hate repacious anti human capitlism and the ethos of money is all. As for the alphebet soup that is the splintered left. Go fuck yourselves.
Well done guys.
If you the politcally educated can't sort out a cohearant set of ideas amongst you and agree on basic ways forward. Is it any fucking wonder the rest of us who have daned not to read Das Capital or study Politix view you with derision.
I'm left wing in the sens I support unions, hate repacious anti human capitlism and the ethos of money is all. As for the alphebet soup that is the splintered left. Go fuck yourselves.
xenon_2 said:
I entirely agree with this ....
JHE said:
A very small number of ultra factionlistic Urban75 haters are picking up on something I once said, ages, ago, and relentlessly sneering and taking the piss out of it. As part of their long standing smear campaign to brand me a 'liberal', 'middle class', 'Guardian reading racist' etc. This is still going strong 'elsewhere'.
It ws the dishonesty of 'Frank' about his identity that got to me -- the way he posted that 'innocuous' looking dig made it pretty clear that he was formerly banned returner.
liampreston
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Fisher_Gate said:Didn't see your post until after I'd done mine.
27% of the vote across five inner city wards, second in four of them, is hardly an awful result - as you well know the FPTP electoral system is biased against those whose vote is spread out evenly, rather than concentrated in enclaves.
And don't complain about defectees - ironically the Lib Dems actually have a councillor in those five inner city wards despite not winning an election there, because a Tory managed to squeeze through the middle of a split Respect/Labour vote and then defected the LibDems. The last time you won a seat was with that paragon of LibDem virtue, Alan Valentine; the less said about him the better from your point of view!
Unfortunately two of those five wards contested by Respect in the last couple of elections have no election this year, but we'll win at least one of the other three (whether or not the LibDems can find another candidate to fill your shoes and arrest the terminal decline in your votes).
And according to your fellow LibDem 'Doktorbuk', there's no 'hopefully' about you standing in another ward as he's posted on Wikipedia that you are standing in Tulketh ward, allegedly against Valerie Wise standing for Respect!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Council_election_2007#Tulketh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doktorbuk
You and I are agreed that Alan Valentine is best left to the historical record of things left unsaid.
Everything else will be up for debate as the year progresses I wager =)
xenon_2 said:William nobody cares.
I don't know you IRL. I respect what you say on here a lot of the time. However, you do seem to have a slight percecution complex. Those you sight as mocking or misrepresenting you have very little sway with the nutral amongst us.
I wish you'd stop validating them and atributing them more power than they actually have.
As you were.
I take on board that you and probably a fair few others think I'm overreacting
but for me it's matter of principle. People like 'Frank' are only small in number, but almost their ONLY contributions to Urban75 consist of negativity, sniping and sneering, they're a hindrance to this community and are pursuing a hostile, shitstirring, 'elsewhere'-based agenda ...
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
xenon_2 said:
Some folk are lucky enough to get over such juvenile fixations as factionalism (which is, imho, not even as mature as the kind of tribalism footie supporters are supposedly legendary for) early on in their political development. Others cling to it like drowning sailors to flotsam. Unfortunately they are part and parcel of the fabric of left politics (a part best ignored IMO), and always have been. Even the labour party, as anodyne as it is, was born out of mergers of factions and small groupings.
There's nowt wrong with being "non-aligned", mate. Just as long as you're not one of those muppets looking to create your own "ism".
No danger of me defining another ism, with the exclusive membership of 1.
I freely admit I'm not versed in Political theory, beyond scraps I've read here and there. Probably something I could rectify. It just seems though many steeped in the language and history of politix spend too much time arguing over some obscure philosopical point. Or an incident that happened at some meeting 20 peple attended 3 years ago. They're failing to comunicate their ideas and proposed solutions to the wider public, who presumabeily are their audience.
I freely admit I'm not versed in Political theory, beyond scraps I've read here and there. Probably something I could rectify. It just seems though many steeped in the language and history of politix spend too much time arguing over some obscure philosopical point. Or an incident that happened at some meeting 20 peple attended 3 years ago. They're failing to comunicate their ideas and proposed solutions to the wider public, who presumabeily are their audience.
rhys gethin
New Member
xenon_2 said:
The thing is that some of these points have been life-or-death matters in real situations, and may be again, which is why people get so worked up. The trouble is that the world changes, so you never get exactly the same thing. If you are 'left', though, it IS important to know some of the key points about the past, or you end up simply re-living the shit.
Udo Erasmus
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mutley said:
Paul Lynch, Chair of Swansea Defend Council Housing will be standing as the leading candidate for Respect in South Wales West.
Respect statement on Commons Housing Report: http://www.respectcoalition.org/?ite=1363
72% voted NO to stock transfer in Swansea, probably one of the biggest votes against in the UK. The LibDem council spent £1.4 million on it's political campaign to privatise, at less than 1% of this cost, Working class activists responded by organising a series of DCH public meetings on council estates bringing people together to fight back. The support they recruited from the organised labour movement was inspiring and shows an alternative vision of "Fighting Unions" to the sight of the sychophantic new labour trade union bureaucracy. UNISON funded the sending of letters to every house and a 1/2 page advert in the local paper.
Council Housing Fourth Option Now!!!
I don't like Respect for various not worth going into reasons, but I hope Mr Lynch does OK in Swansea
I don't like Respect for various not worth going into reasons, but I hope Mr Lynch does OK in Swansea
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