If you wanna boycott Israel get off your fucking computer!!

[Peet]

This is a totally daft statement that does not deserve a reply.

Are you really that stupid???

Slightly disingenuous I know but if you examine arab population growth of the israeli side of the mandate of palestine you will find that the bulk of palestinians who claim Israel as theirs were migrants to the mandate themselves, largely because of economic opportunities created by mass jewish immigration.

The number of arabs actually displaced from their homes is not vast and certainly pales in comparison with arab ethnic cleansing of Jews in arab states leading upto and after the creation of Israel. While palestinian refugees are victims of circumstance, the arab world created the need for a Jewish homeland and therefore have themselves to blame. But Arab states do cnot care about Palestinians and Israel hasn't done anything to them that arab state have not.

 

[Grandma Death]

The number of arabs actually displaced from their homes is not vast .

Are you for real?

 

[ZAMB]

Are you for real?

He is obviously a follower of the Dershowitz/Peters school of thought - tell a big enough lie - repeat it often enough - and some fools will believe you without checking the facts.

He's a bit like my puppy, only more malignant. I recently got one of those anti-bark machines installed that sends out a high pitched noise when the puppy barks. His first reaction to it was to try to outshout it by barking even louder. Peet seems a bit like that - the more you contradict him with real facts, the louder he'll shout with his phony ones. Only difference is - my puppy was intelligent enough to know when he was beaten.

 

[Peet]

Are you for real?

I wasn't vast when compared with say Arab ethnic cleansing of Jews from North Africa.

 

[rhys gethin]

Why is Nazi Germany always seen as the equivalent to Israel?

It isn't, but only a fool or a zionist could deny that certain nazi ideas survive only in Israel, which seems to accept Hitler's ideas about 'the Jews' being something called a 'race'. Clearly the zionists believe in their right to take over other people's countries, as did the Nazis, and they are opposed to international law wherever their 'survival' (as defined by themselves) is held to be at stake (i.e. always). As we see so constantly on these threads, they also believe in a Goebbels-like form of propaganda which never connects with the truth at all, being based on the principle that the bigger the lie, the more likely to be believed. Like Hitler, they pretend to be prepared to negotiate, but in fact always sabotage negotiation by provocation, land-grabs and murder. So that's for a start. Given a few hours I could say much, much more.

 

[nino_savatte]

I wasn't vast when compared with say Arab ethnic cleansing of Jews from North Africa.

Are you for real? Stupid question, perhaps I'll rephrase it...are you a serial Internet troll who specialises in popping up on threads like this to disrupt and spew out a load of white noise?

But I know that we've met before, Peet. You're very familiar.

 

[Peet]

Clearly the zionists believe in their right to take over other people's countries,

What country would that be then???

 

[fractionMan]

Clearly the zionists believe in their right to take over other people's countries.

Not only that, but then deny they ever existed!

 

[Peet]

Not only that, but then deny they ever existed!

So the British Mandate of Palestine is a figment of imagination?

Most "palestinians" were economic migrants to the region. Much of the mandate was desert. There never was a state of Palestine.

Palestina was the name given to Judea by the Romans.

 

[Luther Blissett]

They're from the Plaut School of Hasbara - as damaging to the Israeli cause as was the notorious kahanist arab-hate site Masada2000 (recently taken offline thanks to the good work of Richard Silverstein
(see: http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2007/05/21/masada2000-hate-bites-the-dust-once-more, )

It's probably best not to engage with these ueber-nationalists any longer - they're bringing nothing new to the table that we haven't already refuted here.

 

[nino_savatte]

So the British Mandate of Palestine is a figment of imagination?

Most "palestinians" were economic migrants to the region. Much of the mandate was desert. There never was a state of Palestine.

Palestina was the name given to Judea by the Romans.

LOL!!! It's the edited highlights of ME history.

 

[Luther Blissett]

No. I am recognising the need for a German state and recognising that a Germany free of the Jewish problem could be the nationalist social democracy it aspires to be. The only obstacle to this is the unwillingness of Jewish leadership to recognise certain basic realities. This stubborn refusal may or may not have legitimacy but in the end it accomplishes nothing.

If you think that your contribution here is in any way helping the Israeli or Palestinian cause, then think again.

We don't take kindly to ueber-nationalists here.

Count-down to ban....

 

[ViolentPanda]

If you think that your contribution here is in any way helping the Israeli or Palestinian cause, then think again.

We don't take kindly to ueber-nationalists here.

Count-down to ban....

You reckon peet will be banned again, eh?

 

[Peet]

You get banned for having a different opinion? How very left wing of you.

 

[moono]

You get banned for being such a twat that everybody takes the piss and your posts deteriorate into abrasive drivel. You're doing good.

 

[Andy the Don]

I wasn't vast when compared with say Arab ethnic cleansing of Jews from North Africa.

If we are talking about the period post the 1948 Arab - Israeli war there was about an influx of 850,000 Jews from North African & Arab/Muslim countries. About 914,000 Palestinians who became refugees from Israel. This figure is now about 4 million including descendants.

 

[Grandma Death]

You get banned for being such a twat that everybody takes the piss and your posts deteriorate into abrasive drivel. You're doing good.

 

[Peet]

If we are talking about the period post the 1948 Arab - Israeli war there was about an influx of 850,000 Jews from North African & Arab/Muslim countries. About 914,000 Palestinians who became refugees from Israel. This figure is now about 4 million including descendants.

No, we're talking about pre 1948 from all over the Arab world. Arab persecution of Jews had been going on for centuries. That is partly why the Jews wanted a state to begin with.

But even if we were... Fair's fair, give or take a hundred thousand. Israel cannot be held responsible for the fact that the arabs quadrupled through procreation.

And what percentage of those arabs who became refugees were economic migrants to the mandate of palestine?

 

[Peet]

You get banned for being such a twat that everybody takes the piss and your posts deteriorate into abrasive drivel. You're doing good.

Moono, some of use are exchanging perceptions for the sake of clarification. If I didn't want to challenge my views I wouldn't put them to a bunch of leftists would I? I'd be over on stormfront or something waiting for the fascists to tell me what a clever boy I am.

If you have a problem with historical debate that's your problem. Just please just keep your bile and foul language to yourself and stay out of my way and anyone elses who doesn't mind challenging my perceptions.

 

[moono]

You became the target of my scorn when you ignored challenges to your 'perceptions'. Don't get on your monocycle and honk your horn now.

 

[Peet]

I did offer to debate it privately with you so that the debate could stay on track and not be derailed my the legions of people up for a crack at me and you refused.

 

[moono]

That's because I find PM discussions in lieu of public debate sneaky, as I told you, and also mildly reminiscent of 'censorship by toadyism'.

Geez, next you'll be inviting yourself round for kebabs.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You get banned for having a different opinion? How very left wing of you.

No, you get banned for being a propaganda-pushing arse.

Surely you remember all this?

 

[ViolentPanda]

No, we're talking about pre 1948 from all over the Arab world. Arab persecution of Jews had been going on for centuries. That is partly why the Jews wanted a state to begin with.

But even if we were... Fair's fair, give or take a hundred thousand. Israel cannot be held responsible for the fact that the arabs quadrupled through procreation.

And what percentage of those arabs who became refugees were economic migrants to the mandate of palestine?

What history book did you drag those "facts" out of, "The Bumper Book of Zionist myth and other bollocks"?

 

[rhys gethin]

What country would that be then???

That famous country which, like the old South Africa, was miraculously left empty until the racist colonists got there, at which point the guardian angels let in all sorts of riff-raff who proceded to produce totally convincing evidence that they'd always been there after all, the swine! I'm afraid, Peet, that you are yet another tedious Goebbels-imitator who proves his neo-nazi credentials even when denying them. Go and work for AIPAC in the States - people there were trained by McCarthy and will pretend to believe you. Heil and farewell!

 

[Peet]

In the final analysis all I see is an arab muslim refusal to allow Jews a peaceful existence. Nothing new there.

Having fled from persecution from europeans and arab muslims they were granted by the international community a fragment of their spiritual home, mostly comprised of desert on the condition that if they want a country they'd have to build it.

They built one and arabs have never accepted it. Every major war against jews has been started by muslims and I don't blame Israeli Jews for not trusting them and doing whatever it takes to ensure their survival as a nation and people. That is their right.

Palestinians have been given billions in aid and had more attention than they deserve compared with more pressing refugee problems and yet still they pin all their woes on Israel instead of accepting responsibility for their own destiny, starting with reforming their own corrupt leadership.

Personally I don't see why Israel even bothers to supply Pealestinians with electricity and water. If they want a country, they should build one like the jews did. But that would involve temporarily laying off slaughtering each other.

I wish Israel would hurry up and buy some CRAM batteries and stop making such a big deal of a half dozen pissy little rockets and leave them to rot. Aid is obviously a waste of effort.

 

[fractionMan]

hahahaha

Now fuck off

 

[moono]

The sooner that international law takes precedence over American bullying the sooner we can stick the world's peets back inside the 181 boundaries where they 'belong'.

Undermine American financial support for Zionism and it all falls into place.

 

[Peet]

International law will crumble long before the desire for self determination and the desire to live according to a shared set of values differing from others.

 

[moono]

The synthetic State exists by international law, so you shouldn't be looking forward to it 'crumbling' any time soon.