if you refuse new deal i need to know

[Miss Peabody]

?

If I apply for a benefit, and a condition is that I go on a training course, should I be outraged if the benefit isn't paid because I decide not to take part?

No

Surely a benefit, is just that, a benefit

And the training is a condition of receiving money, for doing fuck all else all day!




I am also interested to know what constitutes to well to get ib and too sick to get jsa?

What did people do before the government gave hand outs? Did whatever work they could get....I recon

 

[heartof gold]

So, rather than answer my question, you'll just have a whinge...

... par for the course really .....

have you read urban's section on New Deal. Until then no point.

 

[Jografer]

have you read urban's section on New Deal. Until then no point.

So, still no answer...

... so lets try another question,

...... 'what is stopping you getting a job?'

 

[chymaera]

I am also interested to know what constitutes to well to get ib and too sick to get jsa?

Such cases usually end up at a tribunal. There is no simple answer to your question.

 

[heartof gold]

No

Surely a benefit, is just that, a benefit

And the training is a condition of receiving money, for doing fuck all else all day!




actually its allowances these days which your entitled to not benefit. There should be no conditions attached you have already had to fill out forms and prove you qualify. If your entitled your entitled. Period.

What about taxpayers money going to fund these shitty schemes. This is all so that you will vote for labour

 

[Miss Peabody]

No

Surely a benefit, is just that, a benefit

And the training is a condition of receiving money, for doing fuck all else all day!




actually its allowances these days which your entitled to not benefit. There should be no conditions attached you have already had to fill out forms and prove you qualify. If your entitled your entitled. Period.

What about taxpayers money going to fund these shitty schemes. This is all so that you will vote for labour

Why not go out and get a job then?! Is there zero employment where you are?

 

[Jografer]

actually its allowances these days which your entitled to not benefit. There should be no conditions attached you have already had to fill out forms and prove you qualify. If your entitled your entitled. Period.

What about taxpayers money going to fund these shitty schemes. This is all so that you will vote for labour

Ha ha ha ........ fortunately that's not the case, or else you wouldn't be whinging here....

 

[heartof gold]

Um... Nope...?

If you agree that you'll be paid £ 10 for doing something, do you get outraged when that £ 10 isn't paid to you when you do that thing...?

well said the poster obvioulsy hasnt bothered to read that the government lost all my data and all payment was cocked up really efficient bunch that they are. Sure they would like that happening to them.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I am also interested to know what constitutes to well to get ib and too sick to get jsa?

The dividing line appears to be arbitrary, to say the least. If you do have medical issues, it's pretty much dependent on whether the medical practitioner who examines you on behalf of the Benefits Agency (or whatever they're currently called) does their job to the best of their ability. Some don't.

What did people do before the government gave hand outs? Did whatever work they could get....I recon

Casual work, formal charity, informal charity, theft. If you're interested, there's a good book called "The Working Class in Britain: 1850-1939" by John Benson that goes into some detail about how people got by (or not).

Oh, and bear in mind that if you couldn't work, beg, borrow or steal, you went in the workhouse.

 

[cybershot]

Do you actually have any intention of getting a job anytime soon?

 

[nogojones]

Hi Heart of Gold

I can understand your distress at having to attend a New Deal training course, because as we all know, most of them are a bit shit. You may be lucky and if you play your cards well end up on a not too bad one that you may get the slightest bit of enjoyment from. Be creative and you can make most employment fun in some way.

What I would like to know, before I can offer you advice, sympathy or start taking the piss, is what would you like to do?

Do you have a dream job?

do you want to work at all? I won't make a value judgement about this because work isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Are you ill?

Do you fill all your free time from not working at the moment?

If so, what are you doing with it? and is it fun? and if it is can I join in as well please?

 

[Jambooboo]

How about you get a job?

 

[october_lost]

How about you get a job?

And become part of the under-employed lovely



I would take full advantage of volunteering as they top up your JSA, college classes and/or setting up your own business as they can run fully informed courses.

 

[Funky_monks]

What did people do before the government gave hand outs? Did whatever work they could get....I recon

I believe they were put in the workhouse.

 

[Urbanblues]

What did people do before the government gave hand outs? Did whatever work they could get....I recon

Did they? Even those that could not work?

 

[mrs quoad]

Did they? Even those that could not work?

The poorhouse.

In 1833 Earl Grey, the Prime Minister, set up a Poor Law Commission to examine the working of the poor Law system in Britain. In their report published in 1834, the Commission made several recommendations to Parliament. As a result, the Poor Law Amendment Act was passed. The act stated that:

(a) no able-bodied person was to receive money or other help from the Poor Law authorities except in a workhouse;

(b) conditions in workhouses were to be made very harsh to discourage people from wanting to receive help;

(c) workhouses were to be built in every parish or, if parishes were too small, in unions of parishes;

(d) ratepayers in each parish or union had to elect a Board of Guardians to supervise the workhouse, to collect the Poor Rate and to send reports to the Central Poor Law Commission;

(e) the three man Central Poor Law Commission would be appointed by the government and would be responsible for supervising the Amendment Act throughout the country.

Prior to that there were a wealth of provisions - mostly deeply inadequate - that meant that people could quite readily (and did quite frequently) starve to death on fuck all.

My field's criminology, though, so I'm far more up on - e.g. - leaving single mothers to birth in a winter field, followed by hanging them for infanticide when they're found next to their dead infant

 

[mrs quoad]

Actually, this looks quite interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Law

If I wasn't meant to be working on something else, I'd read it

 

[heartof gold]

thanks all to those who understand what its like, and its not just as easy to say go and get a job people who say that have no idea. easy to say in practice but not easy to do. I guess we wont change what they think so if they want to think like that so be it. I am not workshy i have posted reasons for not wanting to go on New Deal. I think they were very good ones.

I do not agree on principal the way people are forced onto schemes which are sometimes inadequate, dont deliver, and told they wont get any money if they dont comply. I know people who work who also think this.

If you are entitled to jsa you are entitled. You have already filled out forms etc. There will always be people out of work, people who lose jobs etc its life. There will always be a welfare state and thank god there is, its also there for everybody. You cant go cutting peoples money cos they dont conform what do they live on and how do they pay their bills? Its just going to lead to more problems for society its wrong and its mean. Its your money the government really shouldnt be taking it away.

Thanks again. Its been quite an interesting thread and hopefully its educated a few people and opened their eyes abit. If not as i say so be it.

 

[5t3IIa]

Whe you sign on for JSA you also sign up for all the courses and stuff they offer/demand. You don't just fill in a form for the benefit with with no obligations on your part.

I think if you actually read what you've signed, when you sign on, you'll see this.

 

[jæd]

If you are entitled to jsa you are entitled. You have already filled out forms etc. There will always be people out of work, people who lose jobs etc its life. There will always be a welfare state and thank god there is, its also there for everybody. You cant go cutting peoples money cos they dont conform what do they live on and how do they pay their bills? Its just going to lead to more problems for society its wrong and its mean. Its your money the government really shouldnt be taking it away.

Thanks again. Its been quite an interesting thread and hopefully its educated a few people and opened their eyes abit. If not as i say so be it.

JSA is JobSeekers Allowance. Ie, you get it as long as you are actively seeking work. If you stop seeking work you won't get it. Not sure how this is a hard to understand...

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

What did people do before the government gave hand outs? Did whatever work they could get....I recon

There is a potted history by Frank Field here

There will always be a welfare state and thank god there is, its also there for everybody.

You are joking right? The way that welfare is going in this country is very similar to that in the USA and Australia, whereby people in work will be actively expected to contribute to private welfare provision through firms such as UnumProvident, with very basic subsistence levels of financial assistance being paid to anyone who isn't part of these schemes. Workfare and forced employment schemes are a facet of this, so that anyone refusing to participate will probably be penalised. If you think you've got it hard now, come back in 5-10 years and I strongly suspect you'll be longing for these relatively benign days of jsa tbh.

 

[cybershot]

thanks all to those who understand what its like, and its not just as easy to say go and get a job people who say that have no idea. easy to say in practice but not easy to do. I guess we wont change what they think so if they want to think like that so be it. I am not workshy i have posted reasons for not wanting to go on New Deal. I think they were very good ones.

I do not agree on principal the way people are forced onto schemes which are sometimes inadequate, dont deliver, and told they wont get any money if they dont comply. I know people who work who also think this.

If you are entitled to jsa you are entitled. You have already filled out forms etc. There will always be people out of work, people who lose jobs etc its life. There will always be a welfare state and thank god there is, its also there for everybody. You cant go cutting peoples money cos they dont conform what do they live on and how do they pay their bills? Its just going to lead to more problems for society its wrong and its mean. Its your money the government really shouldnt be taking it away.

Thanks again. Its been quite an interesting thread and hopefully its educated a few people and opened their eyes abit. If not as i say so be it.

To be referred to these schemes you need to have been unemployed for 6 months at least.

So for you to say it's not easy to get a job then this is WHY you are being put onto these schemes. They are there to HELP you. If your telling me you will come away from this having learnt absouletly NOTHING new that could HELP (that's HELP, not do everything for you including taking the interview) you get a job then spin my nipplenuts and send me to alaska.

Just freaking go, exactly what else are you doing that fills 8 hours a day? Something tells me it's not going on job websites and going for interviews?

As someone states JSA stands for JOBSEEKERS allowence. Are you actively JOBSEEKING? If not, then damn right, they should take it off you.

You'd probably be pleasently surprised and how much better off you will be from working, even if it is a shit job to start with. Nothing wrong with working whilst trying to find somethung more suitable. There are still plenty of other benefits for you to claim whilst working which help you pay the bills. Something you might find out about if you actually went on these courses in the first place.

 

[heartof gold]

ive started today usual cock up confusion as to what time the course started and finished but hey ho you get used to it with the jc etc. Im the only woman in a class of men find that odd and of course have told them. Did some form filling this morning.