If you look up at a roof from inside the loftspace...

[TopCat]

"The first requirement of this regulation is for the roof to be weather-tight. In the case of pitched roofs the document states that any roof will meet the requirement if it has overlapping dry joints, is impervious or weather-resisting, and is backed by a material which will direct precipitation which enters the roof towards the outer face (as with roofing felt)."

 

[zenie]

Nah it's not illegal, just old.

 

[5t3IIa]

No it isn't. But thanks for posting it, Stella.

Have edited. It's my pleasure. This is quite an efficient system

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Onket's loft space The loft space to which Onket is referring

Mine looks worse than that. I can see the sky though the cracks.

 

[Onket]

Nah it's not illegal, just old.

It's not that old.

It's not my place, remember.

 

[TopCat]

Onkets roof on Christmas morning...

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

No wonder it's so freaking cold.

 

[zenie]

It's not that old.

It's not my place, remember.

Guess that's subjective More than 20 years? Old building regs, things have changed a lot in the last few decades wrt regulations. If you're buying then ask a surveyor what the law was at that time, or if less than 10 they should have a NHB cert, and you can go back to the buidling.

Or ask him indoors innit.

I know that

 

[gentlegreen]

unless it's weird felt that's cut into squares.

You want Tyvek or similar these days - it breathes but could still resist a moderate downpour while they're putting the tiles back on.

It all looks in pretty good nick though

EDIT :-

Slates ?

 

[Onket]

EDIT :-

Slates ?

What are you asking?

 

[gentlegreen]

What are you asking?

You say you can see the "tiles", but they look like rather posh slates

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Sorry to interrupt onkets thread but I really can see the tiles and it looks a lot worse than that picture. I can just see the backsides of very regular old tiles. A house opposite me recently retitled (I could see it from my window) There was scaffolding and it seemed to take four people a week to do.

Is it going to cost a fortune to get my loft in order?? How much can I do myself to insulate?

 

[nick h.]

That roof is v. cheap and cheerful - look how spindly the timbers are. Might be suitable for a shed or garage, but not a house. Unless you're in Mexico or somewhere.

Building regs are explained very helpfully here: http://www.roofconsult.co.uk/articles/partCpitched.htm

But I think Onket's avin a larf - it's probably a stable, for donkeys and such.

 

[Onket]

You say you can see the "tiles", but they look like rather posh slates

Sorry, tiles/slates.

That roof is v. cheap and cheerful - look how spindly the timbers are. Might be suitable for a shed or garage, but not a house. Unless you're in Mexico or somewhere.

It's a house. It's ex local authority. And it's in England.

But I think Onket's avin a larf - it's probably a stable, for donkeys and such.

No. I looked at it through the access hatch & thought it 'looked wrong', and I wanted advice.

I very rarely 'ave a larf' for the sake of it.

 

[gentlegreen]

Just a foot of fibreglass then.

 

[Pingu]

on the plus side if its actual slate slates (esp if they are welsh slates and not italiian) they will last for many many many years

 

[Onket]

on the plus side if its actual slate slates (esp if they are welsh slates and not italiian) they will last for many many many years

It's ex-local authority. Which is more likely?

 

[Pingu]

well.. the itallian machine cut slates are a lot cheaper than split welsh slate


the best slates are split and then dressd to size whereas the mass produced stuff is cut by a big machine


bith beat the shit out of non slate slates though

 

[Corax]

Uh oh, really?

Mine looks worse than that. I can see the sky though the cracks.

Shit. Me too.

There's a thin layer of insulation on the floor, but above it's just slates and timber. Not even any felt.

I know I've got to get it done at some point, but I've fuck all idea what it's likely to cost. Anyone have any idea?

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Shit. Me too.

There's a thin layer of insulation on the floor, but above it's just slates and timber. Not even any felt.

I know I've got to get it done at some point, but I've fuck all idea what it's likely to cost. Anyone have any idea?

Well like I said, it seemed to be almost a weeks work for four people in the house across from my spare room.

 

[Ms Ordinary]

I have a vague recollection that a roof can either have the insulation up against the roof tiles (in which case the loft space is warm-ish) or that the insulation might be directly over the ceiling - in which case the loftspace is cold but the rooms underneath are still insulated.

I definitely remember that there are 'cold roofs' and 'warm roofs' & that both are (or have been - I'm a bit out of date ) acceptable methods of roof construction.

eta I've looked at the Building Regs link & there's a fine diagram of a warm roof system & a cold roof system, its nice to know I didn't imagine them. Clearly Onket's roof is cold but it doesn't mean his house can't be warm .

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I have a vague recollection that a roof can either have the insulation up against the roof tiles (in which case the loft space is warm-ish) or that the insulation might be directly over the ceiling - in which case the loftspace is cold but the rooms underneath are still insulated.

I definitely remember that there are 'cold roofs' and 'warm roofs' & that both are (or have been - I'm a bit out of date ) acceptable methods of roof construction.

eta I've looked at the Building Regs link & there's a fine diagram of a warm roof system & a cold roof system, its nice to know I didn't imagine them. Clearly Onket's roof is cold but it doesn't mean his house can't be warm .

So maybe some plain old insulation would sort out our house for now then? Mind you I do have an awful lot of crap stored in my attic. Not least a exercisey thing that I said I was going to give to Onket.

 

[zenie]

The insulation can either be in the roof or above the ceiling, it might just be that your insulation is in the ceiling. Look inbetween the joists up in the loft, it's probably been filled with that nasty fibreglass cotton wool. Works fine

You had a survery done when you bought the house didn't you AS? Did they check the roof? If it's been signed off as fine then don't worry.

 

[Onket]

I have a vague recollection that a roof can either have the insulation up against the roof tiles (in which case the loft space is warm-ish) or that the insulation might be directly over the ceiling - in which case the loftspace is cold but the rooms underneath are still insulated.

I definitely remember that there are 'cold roofs' and 'warm roofs' & that both are (or have been - I'm a bit out of date ) acceptable methods of roof construction.

eta I've looked at the Building Regs link & there's a fine diagram of a warm roof system & a cold roof system, its nice to know I didn't imagine them. Clearly Onket's roof is cold but it doesn't mean his house can't be warm .

1) It's not my roof.

2) I was more worried about wet getting in than heat getting out. Looked like there was felt or something missing. I'm not asking about insulation.

 

[5t3IIa]

1) It's not my roof.

2) I was more worried about wet getting in than heat getting out. Looked like there was felt or something missing. I'm not asking about insulation.

Is any wet getting in already? If not then I don't think there's much to worry about. It is a 'normal' roof set-up, as has been mentioned and if insulation isn't your priority then it's fine. I imagine that roofs have to be in a pretty knackered state to let water in and a leaky roof is a Big Deal. Like knackered with holes in and plants growing in them and stuff.

 

[Onket]

Is any wet getting in already? If not then I don't think there's much to worry about. It is a 'normal' roof set-up, as has been mentioned and if insulation isn't your priority then it's fine. I imagine that roofs have to be in a pretty knackered state to let water in and a leaky roof is a Big Deal. Like knackered with holes in and plants growing in them and stuff.

1) It's not my roof.

2) Insulation is above the ceiling, not next to the tiles/slates (nothing to do with it not being my priority, it's just not what I am asking about).

3) Not been up in the roofspace so dunno if wet is getting in. But if something important, like some kind of lining, is missing presumably the 'getting knackered' bit will happen sooner than normal, and be worse when it does. Hence my question.

 

[5t3IIa]

1) It's not my roof.

2) Insulation is above the ceiling, not next to the tiles/slates (nothing to do with it not being my priority, it's just not what I am asking about).

3) Not been up in the roofspace so dunno if wet is getting in. But if something important, like some kind of lining, is missing presumably the 'getting knackered' bit will happen sooner than normal, and be worse when it does. Hence my question.

1. I was actually careful not to mention it being your roof as you KEEP SAYING ITS NOT. You are asking about the roof so presumebly you want to know what we think to pass one to someone else.

2. Yes, you said you weren't asking about it I merely mentioned it in passing as the Other Roof Option in Most Cases

3. No, it's fine. That's what I said.

 

[Onket]

Thanks for explaining. Shame you couldn't have made it clear in your original post and saved us this time though.

 

[5t3IIa]

Thanks for explaining. Shame you couldn't have made it clear in your original post and saved us this time though.

I said: It is a 'normal' roof set-up, as has been mentioned...it's fine.

 

[Onket]

I said: It is a 'normal' roof set-up, as has been mentioned...it's fine.

To which I responded-

But if something important, like some kind of lining, is missing presumably the 'getting knackered' bit will happen sooner than normal, and be worse when it does. Hence my question.