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If Eavis won't admit the truth, will Glastonbury next year be better?

So how much does a Glasto ticket cost these days? £200? Maybe that's the reason why ticket sales are so poor. The cost of a ticket rises at around 20 to 30% each year. But £200 to sit in a muddy field...not my idea of money well spent.
 
So how much does a Glasto ticket cost these days? £200? Maybe that's the reason why ticket sales are so poor. The cost of a ticket rises at around 20 to 30% each year. But £200 to sit in a muddy field...not my idea of money well spent.

£155 with out booking fee £160 with booking fee plus a £4 ridlcious surcharge...

so £164 a ticket...

which if you went as a couple would be £328 or if you went as two couples or a family of 4 over 14's £1312 which you can go to disney land for ... it's simpley shockingly poor value added to which the issues of having to upload your photo the site being an utter complicated pain in the arse to register on. The then having to leap through yet more hoops to buy a ticket at a different point in time to registering for the ability to buy one. the site not being browser compatible. the lack of suitable cover if it rains.

it has bugger all to do with Jay-z as no one goes to fesitvals for the music they go for the shits and giggles of it. The Jay - Z might have effected last minute sales but i can't see it being an issue.

My guess is that also this year a fair few people who'd usually try and get tickets and failed for one reason or another got fed up with the whole process of in effect internet q'ing and are working it this year rather than having to pay to get in and solve the hassle of the buggering around...
 
I remember the horror in certain quarters when Orbital first played Glasto.

"But they don't have any guitars...it's not proper music...it's just samples...it's just two blokes standing on a stage...I could do that!"

Personally, I haven't been since the mudbath of '97, but that's got nothing to do with the lineup. Glasto, for me, was always a place where you could guarantee you'd end up listening to something you'd never appreciated before, and loving it. If people only go or not based on one headline act it's very sad.
Yes, i remember that reaction to Orbital as well. And oddly enough, i don't think i've been since '97 either....
 
I think it's mostly this, but I do think Jay Z is a factor - for reasons a bit more subtle than people on this thread so far seem to have mentioned.

for me everytime I hear the words Jay Z headlining at Glastonbury it just seems wrong. For me I was always into Glastonbury for it's counter culture, anti-consumerist 'hippy' ethos - it was essentially for a lot of years the place that all the counter culture people would generally meet up, usually being involved in one way or another, particularly when the travellers field was there, and to be honest I reckon naively I actually thought that unlike reading and the like, glastonbury actually stood for something.

I don't really know huge amounts about Jay Z, but for me he represents Bling culture - Bling being pretty much the antithesis of everything I'd believed Glastonbury stood for. Essentially finding out Jay Z was the headliner was pretty much the icing on the cake for me in terms of confirming all my feelings from the last few years that Glastonbury is losing it's soul and just becoming A N Other commercial pop festival that simply plays on the hippy image but has no substance underneath.

I very nearly got tempted to go just to hook up with all the urbanites going, but even with the chance of a free ticket I just couldn't bring myself to do it because I didn't want to ruin the memory of what glasto was, with the reality of what it's become (well that and I couldn't be arsed)
I think that a lot of what your pointing towards stopped after it all kicked off in 1990. I don't think the simple fact of Jay-Z representing 'bling' culture particularly represents any kind of the end of an era, cos the end of the era was probably 1990 imo. I went along a few times after that and still enjoyed a couple of them but it was clearly taking a much more commercially hard-nosed approach when fences were erected, the travellers field stopped and specialised bastard security bought it to intimidate the punters.

Rod Stewart, Paul McCartney, David Bowie, these have all played in recent years so i wonder how they fitted into your feelings of what Glastonbury stands for? :confused:
 
I think that a lot of what your pointing towards stopped after it all kicked off in 1990. I don't think the simple fact of Jay-Z representing 'bling' culture particularly represents any kind of the end of an era, cos the end of the era was probably 1990 imo. I went along a few times after that and still enjoyed a couple of them but it was clearly taking a much more commercially hard-nosed approach when fences were erected, the travellers field stopped and specialised bastard security bought it to intimidate the punters.

Rod Stewart, Paul McCartney, David Bowie, these have all played in recent years so i wonder how they fitted into your feelings of what Glastonbury stands for? :confused:
It's funny because I didn't actually go until 97, but IMO the free party crews, and people doing the likes of the glade stage, Lost vagueness, plus most of the 90's environmental activists being represented in the green fields / cafe areas combined with the travellers field and huge number of fence jumpers basically meant that IMO the festival had changed musically so there was loads of electronic music around, but the anticorporate DIY ethos was probably as strong or even stronger across much of the site than it probably was in the 80's.

I don't particularly see any of the 3 artists you mention as being exactly in line with the glasto ethos, but they're not really that far out of line with it either in my mind anyway - and they're basically legends who've been around as long as glastonbury so I can see why Eavis might want them to play.

erm, actually i see now that you're pretty much agreeing with me about it going more commercial with the fences and the security etc... I'm nto saying Jay Z is the beginning of this process, more that it's the icing on the cake for me to a process that pretty much began when they brought mean fiddler on board, stuck the big fence up and got rid of the travellers field.
 
It may not say 'THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE FESTIVAL' but that's definately what I'd take from this advert (for this year).

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Why? Because it has a trippy image on it and some nonsense writing?

How about this alternative festival advert repleat with hippy imagery?

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I think you people just like to piss and moan tbh.
 
The Glastonbury advert looks smug to me as in let's put some bloody poetry on there and no names of bands and we'll sell it out just like last year.

Meanwhile, Bestival poster bears no corporate advertising
 
All of this stuff is commodified to fuck - the festivals, the music and everything else about it. Go if you like bands, drugs, camping and the chance of occasional sunshine and who gives a bollock if it's not the revolution 'cos honestly it never was.
 
may i just say I have never paid to go in once in all the 5? times i have been. Thank you.

Me neither. Not worth the money IMO, but was fucking great when it was free.
I'd probably go if I got the freebie and the backstage passes, but that was the main drive for me in the 90s/early 00s anyway.
Plus I was selling tequila shots, or swapping for pills, so it was a good earner too!!
 
It's funny because I didn't actually go until 97, but IMO the free party crews, and people doing the likes of the glade stage, Lost vagueness, plus most of the 90's environmental activists being represented in the green fields / cafe areas combined with the travellers field and huge number of fence jumpers basically meant that IMO the festival had changed musically so there was loads of electronic music around, but the anticorporate DIY ethos was probably as strong or even stronger across much of the site than it probably was in the 80's.

I don't particularly see any of the 3 artists you mention as being exactly in line with the glasto ethos, but they're not really that far out of line with it either in my mind anyway - and they're basically legends who've been around as long as glastonbury so I can see why Eavis might want them to play.

erm, actually i see now that you're pretty much agreeing with me about it going more commercial with the fences and the security etc... I'm nto saying Jay Z is the beginning of this process, more that it's the icing on the cake for me to a process that pretty much began when they brought mean fiddler on board, stuck the big fence up and got rid of the travellers field.
That's more or less what happened in 92, which kind of confirms my point also though. The following few years certainly did see many of the people who had been active in previous years still going along, particularly on blags or 'entertainment' or installation things. But that mainly took place out of the eye of much of the main festival anyhow if you like. So i think that many people involved from that end never really paid much attention as to what went on on the main stage anyhow.

I dunno, i think its a good thing to have an act that challenges some peoples' preconceptions so Jay Z ain't a bad choice imo. Not saying i'd want to go and listen necessarily but anything that challenges orthodoxies makes for some interesting discussion and debate. As is evidenced by us wittering on :D
 
:eek: i remember '92 - seen the security (about 7 of them) kidnap by force some poor bloke from his stall at 4am and hit him alot then bundle him into the back of a land rover then drove off - ruined my trip coz i was really concerned for the bloke:(
 
All of this stuff is commodified to fuck - the festivals, the music and everything else about it. Go if you like bands, drugs, camping and the chance of occasional sunshine and who gives a bollock if it's not the revolution 'cos honestly it never was.
Quite. Any semblance of 'revolution' or whatever has been thoroughly rinsed out of festivals now. It's all been health&saftied and commoditised. That's not to say there aren't still some festivals run by excellent well meaning people, putting on very entertaining and enjoyable events, but it all happens within the boundaries of the system.
 
£155 with out booking fee £160 with booking fee plus a £4 ridlcious surcharge...

so £164 a ticket...

which if you went as a couple would be £328 or if you went as two couples or a family of 4 over 14's £1312 which you can go to disney land for ... it's simpley shockingly poor value added to which the issues of having to upload your photo the site being an utter complicated pain in the arse to register on. The then having to leap through yet more hoops to buy a ticket at a different point in time to registering for the ability to buy one. the site not being browser compatible. the lack of suitable cover if it rains.

it has bugger all to do with Jay-z as no one goes to fesitvals for the music they go for the shits and giggles of it. The Jay - Z might have effected last minute sales but i can't see it being an issue.

My guess is that also this year a fair few people who'd usually try and get tickets and failed for one reason or another got fed up with the whole process of in effect internet q'ing and are working it this year rather than having to pay to get in and solve the hassle of the buggering around...

hammer+nail=hitontheheadof!
 
I'd never go to Glastonbury. It costs over a million quid per person, you have to eat a litre of mud and watch Nolans tribute bands and the reformed Sweet until 10pm whereupon they switch the lights of and give you a good kicking. What a fucking con :mad:
 
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