If a player dives to get a penalty....

[Doctor Carrot]

Ronaldo's greatest hits:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QB6Cd87s2D0

In the interest of fairness and to prove it's not just us nasty English jealous of Ronaldo's skills, take a look at these:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uVb2gbMtN3I

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0VBVCsYWcqk

So is my thread still worthless, revol? you think all this should be allowed to continue unchecked? still "kneejerk" am I? IMO you can't call yourself a football fan if you think nothing should be done.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Well, that's a generous comment.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Well, that's a generous comment.

Which comment are you referring to?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Your last.

 

[Deareg]

Yea well leg breaking tackles used to be acceptable in the game until FIFA decided otherwise and started handing yellow cards out for em. Players will quickly adapt to meet their own needs once rule changes are made. Punishing divers will stamp it out, nothing you can say will make me think otherwise

i am not defending diving, it sickens me every bit as much as it does you, i am saying that it is the very people who do the whinging and the diving who are the only ones who can stop it simply by, well stopping it, how many times has that cheating bastard gerard complained about other players diving?

 

[CyberRose]

i am not defending diving, it sickens me every bit as much as it does you, i am saying that it is the very people who do the whinging and the diving who are the only ones who can stop it simply by, well stopping it, how many times has that cheating bastard gerard complained about other players diving?

Yea and they'll suddenly stop it very quickly should they know they face fines and bans...

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Yea and they'll suddenly stop it very quickly should they know they face fines and bans...

In the same way that violent conduct and bad fouls have been almost entirely eliminated from the game?

 

[revol68]

Just for anyone who's interested in seeing the cheating weasle...

if you think that isn't a penalty you clearly know fuck all about football.

 

[revol68]

In the same way that violent conduct and bad fouls have been almost entirely eliminated from the game?

they're as common as diving is ffs! It's just dickwads like yourself spend more time worrying about diving (or not diving in the case of the incident that sparked this thread) than violent conduct. I mean how much time is devoted to desperately trying to prove Ronaldo dives compared to examining the disgraceful challenges he was met with last year?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Hahahaha you think that was a penalty? I can understand why you might have thought he wasn't diving but a penalty? brilliant . Go on admit it, you run a Ronaldo fan club somewhere don't you?

 

[CyberRose]

In the same way that violent conduct and bad fouls have been almost entirely eliminated from the game?

Compared to how it used to be, yes

 

[revol68]

Hahahaha you think that was a penalty? I can understand why you might have thought he wasn't diving but a penalty? brilliant . Go on admit it, you run a Ronaldo fan club somewhere don't you?

tyhe keeper committed himself and didn;t take the ball, Ronaldo then had to leap over him thus losing his balance and a goal scoring oppurtunity (for a hat trick no less), that's a penalty, contact isn't necessary otherwise a player could never get a free kick if he jumped over a late tackle and lost the ball.

And yeah Ronaldo is a fucking legend.

 

[CyberRose]

if you think that isn't a penalty you clearly know fuck all about football.

I know about as much as the qualified referee who also says it wasn't a penalty!



[eta: ok so it was Rob Styles, which means we both know considerably more, but the "" still stands]

 

[CyberRose]

they're as common as diving is ffs! It's just dickwads like yourself spend more time worrying about diving (or not diving in the case of the incident that sparked this thread) than violent conduct. I mean how much time is devoted to desperately trying to prove Ronaldo dives compared to examining the disgraceful challenges he was met with last year?

Violent conduct can get you a retrospective ban can't it?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

they're as common as diving is ffs! It's just dickwads like yourself spend more time worrying about diving (or not diving in the case of the incident that sparked this thread) than violent conduct. I mean how much time is devoted to desperately trying to prove Ronaldo dives compared to examining the disgraceful challenges he was met with last year?

Unfortunately, halfwit, in your rush to be abusive you seem to have failed to notice what I was actually saying. Can I suggest that next time you consider posting you consider thinking beforehand?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

tyhe keeper committed himself and didn;t take the ball, Ronaldo then had to leap over him thus losing his balance and a goal scoring oppurtunity (for a hat trick no less), that's a penalty, contact isn't necessary otherwise a player could never get a free kick if he jumped over a late tackle and lost the ball.

And yeah Ronaldo is a fucking legend.

There needs to be contact though and there was none. By the keeper diving like that he put Ronaldo off and that isn't illegal in football, if he'd touched him then it would've been a penalty, did he dive? on a few extra looks I can't really tell, he certainly made a meal of it though by flicking his leg out and by, well, diving forward so he probably did.

 

[revol68]

There needs to be contact though and there was none. By the keeper diving like that he put Ronaldo off and that isn't illegal in football, if he'd touched him then it would've been a penalty, did he dive? on a few extra looks I can't really tell, he certainly made a meal of it though by flicking his leg out and by, well, diving forward so he probably did.

no there doesn't need to be fucking contact you fool! Go check the rule book.

I mean just think about it for a second, you're clen throuh on goal you see a player lunge in two footed at ankle hiehgt , you jump to avoid this tackle that was never getting the ball but would land you in hospital and the chance goes begging, is that not a penalty? Should the player do nothing to avoid the tackle?

 

[revol68]

Violent conduct can get you a retrospective ban can't it?

nope, not if the ref has already noticed and 'dealt' with it.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

no there doesn't need to be fucking contact you fool! Go check the rule book.

I mean just think about it for a second, you're clen throuh on goal you see a player lunge in two footed at ankle hiehgt , you jump to avoid this tackle that was never getting the ball but would land you in hospital and the chance goes begging, is that not a penalty? Should the player do nothing to avoid the tackle?

Of course they should jump to avoid a 2 footed challenge but that's not what happened here was it? Niemi came for the ball and Ronaldo put it past him, why didn't he concentrate more on going round the keeper instead of jumping theatrically over him in an attempt to fool the ref? you have to admit he done it in a way to make it look like he'd been tripped. A player of Ronaldo's quality would easily have scored that.

 

[CyberRose]

nope, not if the ref has already noticed and 'dealt' with it.

When you said "nope" did you actually mean to say "yes, unless"

 

[tarannau]

Christ, are you having a lark Revol, or are you really this blinkered in your pursuit of the prized social gimp secretary position of the "we want to fellate Ronaldo' (and his dad) fan club.

'Land him in hospital' indeed - you what? A goalkeeper rushes out to meet him - with his hands and face primarily exposed - not a rhino coming towards him wearing chainmail and brandishing a death axe. The poor lamb jumped over the keeper's hands and then makes what looks like a swallow dive, clearly fixate on making a dramatic tumble. Such suspiciously poor balance for such a talented international class sportsman eh.

Where you get this hyperbolic bollocks about Ronaldo being in hospital-bound danger I'll never know> Gawd knows what would happen to the poor lamb if he tried to play another sport which involved real contact, like rugby, aussie rules or ladies field hockey.

If Fergie told you that santa was coming down your chimney right now you'd believe him, wouldn't you....

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Are you actually a Man Utd fan revol?

 

[revol68]

Christ, are you having a lark Revol, or are you really this blinkered in your pursuit of the prized social gimp secretary position of the "we want to fellate Ronaldo' (and his dad) fan club.

'Land him in hospital' indeed - you what? A goalkeeper rushes out to meet him - with his hands and face primarily exposed - not a rhino coming towards him wearing chainmail and brandishing a death axe. The poor lamb jumped over the keeper's hands and then makes what looks like a swallow dive, clearly fixate on making a dramatic tumble. Such suspiciously poor balance for such a talented international class sportsman eh.

Where you get this hyperbolic bollocks about Ronaldo being in hospital-bound danger I'll never know> Gawd knows what would happen to the poor lamb if he tried to play another sport which involved real contact, like rugby, aussie rules or ladies field hockey.

If Fergie told you that santa was coming down your chimney right now you'd believe him, wouldn't you....

a) the example of a two footed lunge was an example it wasn't in refercne to Ronaldo's denied penalty. I was using it to make obvious the fact that contact doens't have to happen for a foul to be given.

b) Ronaldo went on his arse because he was fucking bombing down at the keeper, you try keeping your balance running and jumping at that speed. Do you think if he could have avoided having to jump over the keeper he wouldn't have, he was on a hat trick ffs.

 

[CyberRose]

a) the example of a two footed lunge was an example it wasn't in refercne to Ronaldo's denied penalty. I was using it to make obvious the fact that contact doens't have to happen for a foul to be given.

b) Ronaldo went on his arse because he was fucking bombing down at the keeper, you try keeping your balance running and jumping at that speed. Do you think if he could have avoided having to jump over the keeper he wouldn't have, he was on a hat trick ffs.

Colin Jackson managed it fine iirc

 

[tarannau]

b) Ronaldo went on his arse because he was fucking bombing down at the keeper, you try keeping your balance running and jumping at that speed. Do you think if he could have avoided having to jump over the keeper he wouldn't have, he was on a hat trick ffs.

Oh come on, it's perfectly capable to run, jump and land. You ever seen a WR in American Football or winger taking a high ball in rugby- often guys running at international sprinter pace, jumping higher and taking far harder impacts than a non-existent tap with a goalie's face. It's a hard art to master, but Ronaldo makes no effort whatsoever to land properly or avoid making a big sprawling 'he fouled me... REF' heap out of himself. Take off the rose-tinted spectacles/horse blinkers

As for the hat trick, I think Ronaldo's dirty habits and propensity to chat are far more ingrained that you give him credit for. He probably thought that was the best way to get his hat trick - fall and then take the penalty.

 

[Deareg]

There needs to be contact though and there was none. By the keeper diving like that he put Ronaldo off and that isn't illegal in football, if he'd touched him then it would've been a penalty, did he dive? on a few extra looks I can't really tell, he certainly made a meal of it though by flicking his leg out and by, well, diving forward so he probably did.

there does not need to be contact

 

[Deareg]

Christ, are you having a lark Revol, or are you really this blinkered in your pursuit of the prized social gimp secretary position of the "we want to fellate Ronaldo' (and his dad) fan club.
Where you get this hyperbolic bollocks about Ronaldo being in hospital-bound danger I'll never know> Gawd knows what would happen to the poor lamb if he tried to play another sport which involved real contact, like rugby, aussie rules or ladies field hockey.

If Fergie told you that santa was coming down your chimney right now you'd believe him, wouldn't you....

you have no room to talk when it comes to letting bias cloud your opinions, you are every bit as anti-united as revol is pro, as far as this incident goes i think revol is right, it should have been a penalty, the keeper made no contact with the ball and ronaldo would most likely have been injured if he had not jumped over the keeper, therefore dangerous play, there is no doubt that he has dived in the past but he has largely dropped it out of his game, if you and plenty others weren't so biased against united you would have seen this before now

 

[tarannau]

and ronaldo would most likely have been injured if he had not jumped over the keeper,

Absolute pish. Look again at the incident. Ronaldo would have injured himself by kicking the keeper's face would he? Or perhaps he could just have taken a little contact like many players have over the years without crumpling like a sparrow-like child gymnast.

Nope, i"m not a great fan of Utd and I'll happily declare that. Incidents like this, where Fergie rushes out to accuse Niemi of trying to get Ronaldo sent off (how? - look at how and what Niemi says to the ref) and certain fans rush into to defend their star with the kind of blinkered senseless enthusiasm that only lobotomised Boyzone groupies could muster, make me even less inclined to give the myopic parps the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Deareg]

Absolute pish. Look again at the incident. Ronaldo would have injured himself by kicking the keeper's face would he? Or perhaps he could just have taken a little contact like many players have over the years without crumpling like a sparrow-like child gymnast.

Nope, i"m not a great fan of Utd and I'll happily declare that. Incidents like this, where Fergie rushes out to accuse Niemi of trying to get Ronaldo sent off (how? - look at how and what Niemi says to the ref) and certain fans rush into to defend their star with the kind of blinkered senseless enthusiasm that only lobotomised Boyzone groupies could muster, make me even less inclined to give the myopic parps the benefit of the doubt.

stick to the point will you? ronaldo was running at a sprint he would have injured himself and probably niemi too

 

[tarannau]

What, and rugby players - for example - slow down before they make contact do they? And ice hockey players only take a tumble, wearing minimal soft pads onto very hard ice, once they've taken their speed down to lesss than 'sprint'

Such a bizarre excuse - the keepers hands and face are exposed, yet Ronaldo fans are here suggesting that there's a likelihood of injury from the type of collision that happens thousands of times every weekend at parks around the country. Blinkered nonsense.