If a player dives to get a penalty....

[Donna Ferentes]

really? So how come when Stevie 'no fucking forehead' G goes down like a cheap ass scouse gold digger on a jumped up gangster, there isn't the same media attention, the constant replays and dissections?

I wonder if your assumption is in fact correct. I wonder also whether I haven't seen Gerrard frequently criticised for his diving, by English people, on this very forum.

 

[g force]

Indeed he has been - everyone does it if they think it will get them a sneaky penalty.

Worst ref decision in years is still this one:

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Indeed he has been - everyone does it if they think it will get them a sneaky penalty.

Worst ref decision in years is still this one:

Indeed. Poor Pirate Pedro.

 

[bigbry]

OK I take your point, it might not have been a dive, it's irrelevant really but it doesn't make my post meaningless drivel, do you think players who do dive in the box should be given a straight red? or do you think it's "just part of the game?"

Firstly, not a ManU fan and don't really like Ronaldo (very skilful but a whinging prima donna) but you couldn't spot a dive with the advantage of slo-mo replay yet you want a ref to make a call and send a player off for a possible dive.

I've said on another thread on a similar subject that booking a player for a dive is a fairly big call because what you're saying is this guy is a cheat. That's a nasty thing to say about anyone because it questions someone's honesty & integrity.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Firstly, not a ManU fan and don't really like Ronaldo (very skilful but a whinging prima donna) but you couldn't spot a dive with the advantage of slo-mo replay yet you want a ref to make a call and send a player off for a possible dive.

The ref is more qualified to spot a dive than I am and, hopefully, unbiased, I already admitted bias in my view because i'm a Fulham fan, he probably didn't dive in all honesty but that's really a moot point in this thread.

I've said on another thread on a similar subject that booking a player for a dive is a fairly big call because what you're saying is this guy is a cheat. That's a nasty thing to say about anyone because it questions someone's honesty & integrity.

You're right, it is a big call and it does question the player's integrity but that's the problem, alot of players don't have integrity, i'm sure there are lots that do though. Certain players have reputations for diving, why? because they've been caught diving, so they've fucked the way others view their integrity, and the view that some people take that "it's part of the game" is a total cop out. I remember during the last snooker tournament where Shaun Murphy made a push shot and no one else spotted it, he could've got away with it but he held his hands up and said he fouled because he wants to win the game on his own merits, not by gaining an unfair advantage, why can't more footballers adopt this attitude?. Cheating's always gonna be a problem, I accept that, but I don't accept the FA's current stance which seams to be one of doing nothing to deter it. If it means lots of bookings, dismissals, suspensions and fines then tough shit, it will clean up the game quicker than you think, I personally really like Maurice's idea and would like to see the FA adopt something like that.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Worst ref decision in years is still this one:

Though probably not actually the ref's decsion?

 

[CyberRose]

how on earth you can claim Ronaldo dived is beyond me, he had to jump over what was a foul in order to void wrecking himself and the keeper, what should he have done just ran bang into him?

Sad english cunts just bitter cos Ronaldo makes England look shite.

Ronaldo had obviously said to himself, right, I have a few options, either I can kick the goalkeeper, fall over, get the goalkeeper sent off and a penalty, or I can jump over the keeper and score. Because he's a little pussy he thought he might hurt himself should he make contact with the keeper. He'd obviously thought he'd prefer to get a penalty and get the keeper sent off, rather than scoring, so he decided to jump over the keeper and onto the ground, and hoped that by flicking his leg he'd make the ref think he'd made contact.

Well he didn't and he was found out for being a cheating cunt like Gerrard is. Now all we need is for a referee with bollocks to book Gerrard for diving

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Though probably not actually the ref's decsion?

No, it was the linesman's call IIRC.

 

[nightowl]

i'd give them a straight red. also, i think diving is one of those things that the authorities should be able to look back on after a game. if the video evidence shows that the player has dived then they should be given the same ban as if they've received a red card in the game itself.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Now all we need is for a referee with bollocks

This is what it comes down really, alot of referees don't have the bollocks to follow the rules to the letter, every single hissy fit a player has is a bookable offence according to FA rule, it comes under dissent, if it was me refereeing i'd probably be one of the most hated refs in the game because I would be flashing my cards all over the shop at these whinging prima donnas. I mean look at Drogba, he has the cheek to tell the referee how to actually referee the match, i'd shove a card straight in his face if I was the ref. I never understand why players throw their hands up in the air, swear and surround the ref, have you ever seen an incident where the ref's made a decision and then thought "hang on, all these players are really angry and surrounding me, maybe i'm wrong and they're right, I know, i'll change my mind, it's not a penalty afterall, it's a goal kick because Drogba said so" it's ridiculous and the FA need to do something about it.

 

[agricola]

This is what it comes down really, alot of referees don't have the bollocks to follow the rules to the letter, every single hissy fit a player has is a bookable offence according to FA rule, it comes under dissent, if it was me refereeing i'd probably be one of the most hated refs in the game because I would be flashing my cards all over the shop at these whinging prima donnas. I mean look at Drogba, he has the cheek to tell the referee how to actually referee the match, i'd shove a card straight in his face if I was the ref. I never understand why players throw their hands up in the air, swear and surround the ref, have you ever seen an incident where the ref's made a decision and then thought "hang on, all these players are really angry and surrounding me, maybe i'm wrong and they're right, I know, i'll change my mind, it's not a penalty afterall, it's a goal kick because Drogba said so" it's ridiculous and the FA need to do something about it.

I agree, except the solution (and the blame) lie with the FA, rather than referees. If the FA were to introduce a rigorous video-review panel to watch all Premiership games, and penalize divers / cheats on the basis of what the cheat or dive resulted in (ie: dive for a free kick, yellow card; dive for a penalty - 3 match ban; same with a dive or cheat that gets someone sent off, all bans to be doubled if the game was won by the cheat's team as a result), one would imagine the problem would be gone in a season or too.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Probably not: given the difficult in actually establishing whether somebody dived or not it would almost certainly cause such a ruckus, followed by the changing of decisions, that it would be abandoned.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Probably not: given the difficult in actually establishing whether somebody dived or not it would almost certainly cause such a ruckus, followed by the changing of decisions, that it would be abandoned.

It won't be hard to establish whether someone's dived or not if they had time to study the footage, no changing of decisions as this would undermine the point of this, referee's decision final.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

It won't be hard to establish whether someone's dived or not if they had time to study the footage

Really? You think?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Really? You think?

Yes, yes I do.

 

[CyberRose]

Not only that, video evidence should be studied and any player that took a knock, found to be holding the wrong part of his body where that knock occurred, should also be banned for a number of matches

 

[Deareg]

the problem goes a lot deeper than shit referees, though that is a problem too, it would be easier to actually pick out players who dont dive these days, off the top of my head i cant think of a single one, it is something that has gone rotten in the game and it is the clubs who are to blame, players go down now at the slightest of touches, i remember kanchelskis saying in an interview that ferguson told him to go down whenever he felt contact, and a young player from one of arsenals overseas academies being interveiwed, and when he was asked what he was learning, he replied that they taught him how to fall over to win free kicks, diving is so much a part of the modern game that it is not even seen as cheating now most of the time, only the clubs can put a stop to it because they are the ones encouraging it and turning a blind eye to their own players while screaming blue murder about other teams

 

[CyberRose]

Yea well leg breaking tackles used to be acceptable in the game until FIFA decided otherwise and started handing yellow cards out for em. Players will quickly adapt to meet their own needs once rule changes are made. Punishing divers will stamp it out, nothing you can say will make me think otherwise

 

[big eejit]

I remember getting the faintest of taps from a defender as I went past him once. I staggered at full speed for another 10 yards before sprawling on my face in the area with just the keeper to beat. No-one could possibly have seen the contact and I didn't appeal for anything - if I had I might have been booked for diving.

So I hate diving, and if it's encouraged or practised in training, then the coaches should be banned. But you can't always spot a dive so I'm a bit wary about straight reds for the offence.

 

[big eejit]

One thing that bugs me is players automatically grabbing an opponent's shirt. Why don't shirt makers make shirts that tear off when someone grabs them? Offender is left with evidence clenched in his fist and Adidas sell another shirt.

 

[nightowl]

One thing that bugs me is players automatically grabbing an opponent's shirt. Why don't shirt makers make shirts that tear off when someone grabs them? Offender is left with evidence clenched in his fist and Adidas sell another shirt.

perhaps they'll go for rugby type clingy shirts

 

[agricola]

Probably not: given the difficult in actually establishing whether somebody dived or not it would almost certainly cause such a ruckus, followed by the changing of decisions, that it would be abandoned.

There are some decisions which may fall into the doubtful camp, but the vast majority of decisions are fairly (or blatantly, if you could Saint Steven's antics) clear as being dives.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

There are some decisions which may fall into the doubtful camp, but the vast majority of decisions are fairly (or blatantly, if you could Saint Steven's antics) clear as being dives.

Mmm. If that were so I would have expected there to be more agreement as to which actions were identifiable as being dives.

 

[bluestreak]

Two-match ban for bringing the game into disrepute, issued after the game by a panel of referees (including the original match ref) which has reviewed footage from all angles.

I'd vote for that. I fucking hate divers and actors. Rather see people give thuggish two-footed flying tackles and stand there and take it like a man than the sort of actions that Ronaldo and that lot give out.

 

[revol68]

I'd vote for that. I fucking hate divers and actors. Rather see people give thuggish two-footed flying tackles and stand there and take it like a man than the sort of actions that Ronaldo and that lot give out.

Christ central castings are getting sloppy, still better late than never.

Of course like most of the other fuckwits lining up to pontificate on Ronaldo's diving you haven't probably seen the incident in question or if you have you are blinkered by your prejudices.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Christ central castings are getting sloppy, still better late than never.

Of course like most of the other fuckwits lining up to pontificate on Ronaldo's diving you haven't probably seen the incident in question or if you have you are blinkered by your prejudices.

Are you deliberately this thick or is it something you can't control? i've already said more than once on this thread that the Ronaldo incident was just an example of diving, i've also admitted my prejudices towards it as i'm a Fulham fan. This thread is a discussion about diving in general and what can be done to prevent it, not the Ronaldo incident in yesterday's match.

 

[revol68]

Are you deliberately this thick or is it something you can't control? i've already said more than once on this thread that the Ronaldo incident was just an example of diving, i've also admitted my prejudices towards it as i'm a Fulham fan. This thread is a discussion about diving in general and what can be done to prevent it, not the Ronaldo incident in yesterday's match.

yeah and i said you were a fuckwit for it, i was however talking to bluestreak.

youre whole thread is fucked because it's based on a bullshit interpretation that only serves to highlight how unworkable and fuckwitted your knee jerk tabloid suggestion is.

 

[DexterTCN]

Diving in the box should have a yellow card every 2nd or 3rd time. It has too much potential to corruptly influence the game.

I was watching the Milan v Celtic game tonight and the Italians fell over twice in the box laughably. It's 2nd nature in some leagues, or at the very least with some teams, it seems.

It needs booted out of the game.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

yeah and i said you were a fuckwit for it, i was however talking to bluestreak.

youre whole thread is fucked because it's based on a bullshit interpretation that only serves to highlight how unworkable and fuckwitted your knee jerk tabloid suggestion is.

You are making a right twat of yourself but hey, don't let me stop you

 

[CyberRose]

Christ central castings are getting sloppy, still better late than never.

Of course like most of the other fuckwits lining up to pontificate on Ronaldo's diving you haven't probably seen the incident in question or if you have you are blinkered by your prejudices.

Just for anyone who's interested in seeing the cheating weasle...