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IDF claims to have found Iranians fighting for Hizb'allah

TeeJay said:
It doesn't need one. It is raising a doubt - hence it is querying something. It is expressing this by repoorting on a state of mind (ie doubt) not by asking a direct question. Sorry, but if you are going to nit-pick grammar and linguistics then you should be a bit more sophisticated about it nino. Alternatively you might decide not to bother in the first place and avoid even more nit-picking comebacks.

I won't take lessons either on the nature of grammar or the concept of the query, thank you very much. It still isn't a query, whatever you say.

As for "nitpicking", perhaps you should look a little closer to home before you accuse others...or had that not occured to you? Your post is a nitpick, dimwit.

Don't bother replying because you'll only end up looking like a twat.
 
TeeJay said:
Seems I was being a bit subtle for you, so I might as well spell it out: I am not in favour of picking up on grammar, spelling or linguistics. I did so here precisely to make this point against nit-picking - in a kind of "ironic nit-picking" if you will, or an exemplar of "don't do as you don't want to be done by".

Ya git me?

Says the nitpicker-in-chief. Fuck me, you're an arrogant twat.
 
TeeJay said:
Seems I was being a bit subtle for you, so I might as well spell it out: I am not in favour of picking up on grammar, spelling or linguistics. I did so here precisely to make this point against nit-picking - in a kind of "ironic nit-picking" if you will, or an exemplar of "don't do as you don't want to be done by".

Ya git me?

I would reply to this, but I'm worried you might choose to construe my reply as abuse and report me, so I'll content myself with pointing out to you that it was the "nitpicking" per se that I was referring to, rather than its' use on "grammar, spelling or linguistics".

¿Comprende?
 
ViolentPanda said:
¿Comprende?
No, not really, but then again who cares? I have even forgotten what we were discussing on this thread. Oh well.

For what its worth I haven't reported anyone - on this thread or any other - for at least a month or two, AFAICR, just in case you think that FM's appearance was on my request.
 
OMG all this fuss over the absence of punctuation and that fact I was too ignorant to have an awareness of the results of the Lebanese elections.

Let's get back to basics. Hezbollah: scum. Israeli govt: scum. Lebanese and Israelis alike suffering as a result. End of.
 
This is the deal with Iran that the US rejected in 2003. Note its statements concerning Hezbollah etc. Seems like the US wanted to keep that excuse so that the current war could occur and Iran could be blamed.

The document was sent to Washington just in time for a meeting between Iran’s U.N. Ambassador Javad Zarif and Khalilzad in Geneva on May 2, 2003. One copy arrived at the State Department by fax, and a second copy was taken to State in person by an American intermediary, according to a source who has discussed the letter with the intermediary.

The proposal offered “decisive action against any terrorists (above all, al-Qaeda) in Iranian territory” and “full cooperation and exchange of all relevant information.” It also indicated, however, that Iran wanted from the United States the “pursuit of anti-Iranian terrorists, above all MKO” -- the Iranian acronym for the Mujihedeen e Khalq (MEK), which had fought alongside Iraqi troops in the war against Iran and was on the U.S. list of terrorist organizations -- “and support for repatriation of their members in Iraq” as well as actions against the organization in the United States.

At the May 2 meeting in Geneva, a separate proposal involving exchange of information about al-Qaeda detainees and the MEK was spelled out by Ambassador Zarif. According to Leverett, Zarif informed Khalilzad that Iran would hand over the names of senior al-Qaeda cadres detained in Iran in return for the names of the MEK cadres and troops who had been captured by U.S. forces in Iraq.

To meet the U.S. concern about an Iranian nuclear weapons program, the document offered to accept much tighter controls by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in exchange for “full access to peaceful nuclear technology.” It proposed “full transparency for security [assurance] that there are no Iranian endeavors to develop or possess WMD” and “full cooperation with IAEA based on Iranian adoption of all relevant instruments (93+2 and all further IAEA protocols).” That was a reference to new IAEA protocols that would guarantee the IAEA access to any facility, whether declared or undeclared, on short notice -- something Iran had been urged to adopt but was resisting in the hope of getting something in return. The adoption of those protocols would have made it significantly more difficult for Iran to carry on a secret nuclear program without the risk of being caught.

The Iranian proposal also offered a sweeping reorientation of Iranian policy toward Israel. In the past, Iran had attacked those Arab governments that had supported the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, and Tehran had supported armed groups that opposed it. But the document offered “acceptance of the Arab League Beirut declaration (Saudi initiative, two-states approach).” The March 2002 declaration had embraced the land-for-peace principle and a comprehensive peace with Israel in return for Israel’s withdrawal to 1967 lines. That position would have aligned Iran’s policy with that of the moderate Arab regimes.

The document also offered a “stop of any material support to Palestinian opposition groups (Hamas, Jihad, etc.) from Iranian territory” and “pressure on these organizations to stop violent actions against civilians within borders of 1967.” Finally it proposed “action on Hizbollah to become a mere political organization within Lebanon.” That package of proposals was a clear bid for removal of Iran from the list of state sponsors of terrorism.

The document appears to have assumed that the United States would be dependent on Iran’s help in stabilizing Iraq. It offered “coordination of Iranian influence for activity supporting political stabilization and the establishment of democratic institutions and a nonreligious government.” In return, the Iranians wanted “democratic and fully representative government in Iraq” (meaning a government chosen by popular election, which would allow its Shiite allies to gain power) and “support for Iranian claims for Iraqi reparations,” referring to Iranian claims against Iraq for having started the Iran-Iraq War.

Finally, its aims included “respect for Iranian national interests in Iraq and religious links to Najaf/Karbal.” Those references suggested that Tehran wanted some formal acknowledgement of its legitimate interests in Iraq as next-door neighbor, and of the historically close relations between the Shiite clergy in Iran and in those Iraqi Shiite centers.

The list of Iranian aims also included an end to U.S. “hostile behavior and rectification of status of Iran in the U.S.,” including its removal from the “axis of evil” and the “terrorism list,” and an end to all economic sanctions against Iran. But it also asked for “[r]ecognition of Iran’s legitimate security interests in the region with according [appropriate] defense capacity.” According to knowledgeable observers of Iranian policy making, the ambition to be recognized as a legitimate power in the Persian Gulf, with a seat at the table in any regional discussions, has been a major motivation for many years for the Iranian national security establishment to reach an agreement with the United States.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14497.htm
 
Tom A said:
OMG all this fuss over the absence of punctuation and that fact I was too ignorant to have an awareness of the results of the Lebanese elections.

Let's get back to basics. Hezbollah: scum. Israeli govt: scum. Lebanese and Israelis alike suffering as a result. End of.

Hizb'allah have elected representatives in the Lebanese parliament.
 
TeeJay said:
Haha well spotted. It was deliberate. :D
He was querying something, which doesn't necessarily require a question mark.

At the risk of this turning into contradiction tennis: it was not a query.
 
Tom A said:
The Israeli government is also contains loads of elected representives.


No shit, but which party or group has been labelled a "terrorist organisation" by a fist full of countries?

I'll give you a clue: it wasn't one of Israel's religious parties.
 
nino_savatte said:
No shit, but which party or group has been labelled a "terrorist organisation" by a fist full of countries?

I'll give you a clue: it wasn't one of Israel's religious parties.
(1) Define 'terrorism'.
(2) Look at the actions commttied by BOTH sides, and see whether or not if fits with your defination of terrorism.
 
Tom A said:
(1) Define 'terrorism'.
(2) Look at the actions commttied by BOTH sides, and see whether or not if fits with your defination of terrorism.

1. Are you playing games? "Define terrorism"? You're taking the piss.
2. Look at how this conflict is being reported and then come back and have a chat with me.
 
Wiktionary said:
terrorism

1. The deliberate commission of an act of violence to create an emotional response from the victim in the furtherance of a political or social agenda.
2. Violence against civilians to achieve military or political objectives.
3. A psychological strategy of war for gaining political or religious ends by deliberately creating a climate of fear among the popuation of a state.
So, which side(s) are the terrorists then? Can't be hard to work out... :rolleyes:
 
Tom A said:
So, which side(s) are the terrorists then? Can't be hard to work out... :rolleyes:

Still playing games, Tom? I presume you read the title of this thread.

You're pushing an agenda but don't have either the honesty or the guts to come clean.
 
So, Tommy Boy, are you trying to tell me that the Israelis aren't terrorists or are you being selective with your definitions? I think you are and looking at some of your posts on another thread, it is obvious what you are trying to do here.

Stop playing games.
 
No, not what some goverment thinks are the terrorists, who has committed acts that could easly be defined as "terrorism". Cause the IDF are such an ethical, professional army who would NEVER stoop to terrorising civilains in order to achived the goals of Israeli governement policy, would they???* :rolleyes:


*and likewise, Hezbollah are nice, fluffy people who wouldn't dream of using rockets to blow up and strike fear into the hearts of Israeli civillains, would they?
 
Tom A said:
No, not what some goverment thinks are the terrorists, who has committed acts that could easly be defined as "terrorism". Cause the IDF are such an ethical, professional army who would NEVER stoop to terrorising civilains in order to achived the goals of Israeli governement policy, would they???* :rolleyes:


*and likewise, Hezbollah are nice, fluffy people who wouldn't dream of using rockets to blow up and strike fear into the hearts of Israeli civillains, would they?

You're playing silly wee games. Have you read the title of this thread or are you being delberately thick?
 
Ok, if I have to be REALLY simplistic...

nino_savatte said:
No shit, but which party or group has been labelled a "terrorist organisation" by a fist full of countries?
The very same Islamist fuckwits which have been mentioned in the title of this thread. Doesn't mean that the Israelis aren't also capable of terrorism, which is what I was trying to get across all along. Seeeeesh....
 
Tom A said:
The very same Islamist fuckwits which have been mentioned in the title of this thread. Doesn't mean that the Israelis aren't also capable of terrorism, which is what I was trying to get across all along. Seeeeesh....

Two things struck me while reading this post: the first is that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and the second is, that you're only here to disrupt the thread.

This is the thread title:

IDF claims to have found Iranians fighting for Hizb'allah

Nowhere in your posts have you even bothered to mention the contents of the title nor have you commented on the nature of the information coming from the IDF. Why? No, don't bother explaining because all I'm likely to get from you are more riddles.
 
nino_savatte said:
Two things struck me while reading this post: the first is that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and the second is, that you're only here to disrupt the thread.
That's your view.

Nowhere in your posts have you even bothered to mention the contents of the title nor have you commented on the nature of the information coming from the IDF.
So? Won't be the last time a thread got derailed.

Anyway, you are just impossible to debate with, so I'm going back to my never ending battle to have my last-in-bin back in the safety and comfort of General. Goodbye. It's wasn't a pleasant experience.
 
Tom A said:
That's your view.


So? Won't be the last time a thread got derailed.

Anyway, you are just impossible to debate with, so I'm going back to my never ending battle to have my last-in-bin back in the safety and comfort of General. Goodbye. It's wasn't a pleasant experience.

Aye, that is "my view". This thread hadn't been derailed until you showed up with your knobheaded remarks.

No, it isn't me who is "impossible" to debate with. You haven't debated anything since you've been on this thread. All you've done is post cryptic comments and expect others to 'debate' them.

Goodbye and good riddance.
 
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