IDF claims to have found Iranians fighting for Hizb'allah

[david dissadent]

You're a part-time squaddie, so you tell me; would soldiers from one of their nation's most disciplined regiments leave their posts against orders so that they could "get some"?

The Pasdaran are noted for there fervour not there discipline or there compitance.

People seem to confuse them with the Iraqi republican guard. They have different roles. The Iraqi Republican Guard were selected like all guards regiments from the most loyal areas and given the best equipment training and so forth to form a small loyal elite to protect against the Iraqi army turning on the Ba'athists.

The Pasdaran evolved from a voulenteer militia and are charged with guarding the revolution. They are almost as numerous as the regular army and selected for there comitment to revoulutionary ideals. They act as a police/ security force internaly. I am not aware of them being given special treatment over the regular army and have had there airforce taken away.

The chances of one or two going awol to fight seem very remote to me, but it is plausable. I have to rely on reports that all have political biases in trying to an idea about the Pasdaran so if anyone knows better Im listening.

Also I think they are orginised as batallions (I just read that) not regiments.

 

[ViolentPanda]

yes, of course, but it doesn't stop the weapons being from Iran. Dear fucking christ, does that mean that the Coke I bought done the shops isn't really from Dundalk cos it's a US product.

Then you should make yourself clearer, "dickhead", shouldn't you? You could easily have said "supplied by Iran" but you didn't choose to, you said "from Iran", the implication being "made in Iran"

Also the Fajr-3 is actually Iranian designed and built.

I haven't claimed that it wasn't.

Perhaps a bit less indignation and a bit more attention to what you read and write. eh, "dickhead"?

 

[revol68]

Then you should make yourself clearer, "dickhead", shouldn't you? You could easily have said "supplied by Iran" but you didn't choose to, you said "from Iran", the implication being "made in Iran"

I haven't claimed that it wasn't.

Perhaps a bit less indignation and a bit more attention to what you read and write. eh, "dickhead"?

Fuck me that is the most ridiculous assertion ever.

If i said "I got that Sin City DVD from my mate", do you imagine my mate actually manufacturing the DVD from raw material and filiming the whole movie in his living room?

or if i said i got my bottle of Wine from the Off Licence do you imagine a fuckng Vineyard out round the back of the shop?

and once again the Fajr-3 is actually designed and manufactured in Iran, so i was right on all counts, dickhead.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The Pasdaran are noted for there fervour not there discipline or there compitance.

People seem to confuse them with the Iraqi republican guard. They have different roles. The Iraqi Republican Guard were selected like all guards regiments from the most loyal areas and given the best equipment training and so forth to form a small loyal elite to protect against the Iraqi army turning on the Ba'athists.

The Pasdaran evolved from a voulenteer militia and are charged with guarding the revolution. They are almost as numerous as the regular army and selected for there comitment to revoulutionary ideals. They act as a police/ security force internaly. I am not aware of them being given special treatment over the regular army and have had there airforce taken away.

The chances of one or two going awol to fight seem very remote to me, but it is plausable. I have to rely on reports that all have political biases in trying to an idea about the Pasdaran so if anyone knows better Im listening.

Also I think they are orginised as batallions (I just read that) not regiments.

I'm not talking about (and HAVE NOT MENTIONED) the Pasdaran in the posts that I've made, I'm talking about the Iranian Republican Guard.
As your points suggest, their role is akin to that which soviet "Interior Ministry" troops had, internal security, but they are also fully equipped and trained for warfare.
The role they've played in Lebanon since the 1980s has been an extension of their internal security operation, assuring that drugs that transit through Turkey and Syria into Lebanon trans-ship westwards rather than eastwards. Given the problems Iran has with heroin addiction, any curtailment of supply is a good thing for them.

As for "battalions", military heirarchy is such that 2 or more battalions form a regt. While they deploy at battalion strength they're part of a regimental structure.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fuck me that is the most ridiculous assertion ever.

If i said "I got that Sin City DVD from my mate", do you imagine my mate actually manufacturing the DVD from raw material and filiming the whole movie in his living room?

or if i said i got my bottle of Wine from the Off Licence do you imagine a fuckng Vineyard out round the back of the shop?

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or did your mammy kick you in the head as a baby?
If you got a CD from your mate, your mate SUPPLIED it to you.
If you got a bottle of wine (or more likely Thunderbird in your case, given the obvious brain damage you're manifesting) from the offie the offie SUPPLIED it to you.
With me so far?
Now, if Hizb got rockets from Iran that means Iran SUPPLIED them. What it doesn't mean is that Iran manufactured them. In the case of the short-range rockets that have been used on Israel, Iran has NO NEED to waste manufacturing capacity making them because it can pick them up extremely cheaply from the FSU and China, both who have massive stockpiles of obselete military surplus.

and once again the Fajr-3 is actually designed and manufactured in Iran, so i was right on all counts, dickhead.

And, once again I haven't mentioned the Fajr-3 AT ALL, you're getting me confused with another poster, you cheese-brained muppet.

Right on all counts? Only if you live in Bizarro-world.

 

[revol68]

no dickhead i only said the Fajr-3 was manufactured in Iran, i made no assertion beyond that and the fact that Hizbullah got it's katyusha's from Iran and Syria i care little where the vast majority of them are manufactured, in the same way that when i say i got a bottle of wine from the offie, i am making no statement regarding the fucking Vineyard it was from.

now i appreciate the effort and cognitive disonance you have piled into your last 2 posts but it's getting tedious making you look even more like a cock puppet.

 

[ViolentPanda]

no dickhead i only said the Fajr-3 was manufactured in Iran, i made no assertion beyond that and the fact that Hizbullah got it's katyusha's from Iran and Syria i care little where the vast majority of them are manufactured, in the same way that when i say i got a bottle of wine from the offie, i am making no statement regarding the fucking Vineyard it was from.

now i appreciate the effort and cognitive disonance you have piled into your last 2 posts but it's getting tedious making you look even more like a cock puppet.

If you say so, dearie.

I'm sure people will judge according to what they read.
because some of them do bother to properly read what's been written before going off on one, unlike your good self.

 

[TeeJay]

I'm surprised there's room for any Iranians, what with just about every other sympathiser in the world trying to get in to help.

When are you going to go join in the armed struggle moono? Do you have to wait until you have finished your degree?

 

[revol68]

I admire your grace in humilation.

 

[david dissadent]

I'm not talking about (and HAVE NOT MENTIONED) the Pasdaran in the posts that I've made, I'm talking about the Iranian Republican Guard.
As your points suggest, their role is akin to that which soviet "Interior Ministry" troops had, internal security, but they are also fully equipped and trained for warfare.
The role they've played in Lebanon since the 1980s has been an extension of their internal security operation, assuring that drugs that transit through Turkey and Syria into Lebanon trans-ship westwards rather than eastwards. Given the problems Iran has with heroin addiction, any curtailment of supply is a good thing for them.

As for "battalions", military heirarchy is such that 2 or more battalions form a regt. While they deploy at battalion strength they're part of a regimental structure.

Sepah-e Pasdaran-e Enghelab-e Islami, Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps.

The regiment system is one used outside the commonwealth of 4 or more battalions. For example a Soviet motor rifle regement. Silly thing to argue over though.



http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/pasdaran.htm

 

[Grandma Death]

I admire your grace in humilation.

From where Im standing its not VP being humiliated

 

[moono]

Teejay;

When are you going to go join in the armed struggle moono? Do you have to wait until you have finished your degree?

There will still be pens when there is no USAF.

 

[TeeJay]

There will still be pens when there is no USAF.

Sorry that is a bit too cryptic for me.

With "with just about every other sympathiser in the world trying to get in to help" I was wondering when you were off to join in the armed struggle yourself?

 

[moono]

No need to repeat it. Your failure to understand me doesn't mean that I didn't understand you.

 

[TeeJay]

Well I might as well repeat it, just to see if you actually give an answer.

Aren't you tempted to go and fight? You seem very passionate about it. Why not go and shoot a few people?

 

[moono]

Shoot ? How very John Wayne. Don't the Zionists 'eradicate' now with phosphorus and cluster munitions ?

 

[TeeJay]

Shoot ? How very John Wayne. Don't the Zionists 'eradicate' now with phosphorus and cluster munitions ?

But you wouldn't be joining them would you? You'd be joining the guys that shoot the evil invaders, wouldn't you?

Would you like to go and fight? Is there anything stopping you?

 

[moono]

My reply was too 'cryptic' for you. Remember ?

Keep droning on though, you're an involuntary ally.

 

[moono]

Hey Teejay, have you slunk off to think up a cutting response like this one;

Teejay;

Oh fucking shut up you dribbling fuckwit.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=167693&page=2#47
#45.

Lol. Prat.

 

[TeeJay]

You do quite well yourself. Having read your posts I am even less sympathetic towards the vile neo-fascist Hezbollah scumbags than I would be otherwise and less likely to believe the utter crap that their propaganda units spout out.

You just be in the pay of Mossad.

(Maybe you'd be better off avoiding Lebanon for your own safety after all )

 

[Lock&Light]

Well, bully for you.

I fell in love with a starship trooper.

One wonders why you keep bleating that you want a debate.

 

[TeeJay]

Quotations is it?

I'm a partisan counter-propagandist

Does this make you a combatant then? Part of a proscibed terrorist group?

Wow!

A real live terrorist posting on urban75! We truely are honoured.

 

[moono]

You just be in the pay of Mossad.

(Maybe you'd be better off avoiding Lebanon for your own safety after all )

Very witty I'm sure. Cunning use of smiley.

We truely are honoured.

It's 'truly'. No requirement for the pronunciating 'e'.

No requirement for you really, as you have no idea of the topic.

 

[Lock&Light]

From where Im standing its not VP being humiliated

Haven't you noticed the quicksands under your feet?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Very witty I'm sure. Cunning use of smiley.



It's 'truly'. No requirement for the pronunciating 'e'.

No requirement for you really, as you have no idea of the topic.

What is a 'pronunciating e'?

 

[TeeJay]

No requirement for you really, as you have no idea of the topic.

What topic?

 

[denniseagle]

That's what is commonly known as "rebranding", same as the British army calling the Belgian FN FAL rifle the "L1A1 SLR", and the aussies calling their version of the Sterling sub-machine gun the "Lanchester". It's a sop to national pride.

Aussies gun was called Owen not Lanchester.

Lanchester was a copy of the Bergman MP28 and was used primarily by the Royal Navy.


Australia adopted the Owen machine carbine in November 1941 to replace the AUSTEN or Australian Sten gun which, unlike the British version, was not popular with the soldiers due to unreliability.
The OWEN was in use by Australian forces until the early 1960's when it was replaced by the F1 sub-machine gun, also nicknamed the Owen due to the positioning of the magazine.

 

[refugee]

A real live terrorist posting on urban75! We truely are honoured.

Do you know what a propagandist is?

 

[ViolentPanda]

You do quite well yourself. Having read your posts I am even less sympathetic towards the vile neo-fascist Hezbollah scumbags than I would be otherwise and less likely to believe the utter crap that their propaganda units spout out.

You just be in the pay of Mossad.

(Maybe you'd be better off avoiding Lebanon for your own safety after all )

How are Hezbollah "neo-fascist"?

Or are you using the term lazily in the way that people like mears uses "Islamo-fascist?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Aussies gun was called Owen not Lanchester.

Lanchester was a copy of the Bergman MP28 and was used primarily by the Royal Navy.


Australia adopted the Owen machine carbine in November 1941 to replace the AUSTEN or Australian Sten gun which, unlike the British version, was not popular with the soldiers due to unreliability.
The OWEN was in use by Australian forces until the early 1960's when it was replaced by the F1 sub-machine gun, also nicknamed the Owen due to the positioning of the magazine.

I bow to your superior knowledge.