IDF claims to have found Iranians fighting for Hizb'allah

[nino_savatte]

if you were an IRG member in the lebannon would you be hanging out in the bekka or heading off to have a crack at the idf ?
iran and syria are backers or hezbollah eveybody knows that next uncle sam supplys weapons to the idf shock horror

And you know this for certain?

 

[fishfingerer]

yeah one of my ex house mates was jewish from the states and he said he has had some blazing arguments with relatives over it. They are worse than native israeli's, like Scottish Loyalists or southern armchair republican generals.

Orwell made a similar point in notes on nationalism, although he was referring specifically to leaders.

The intensity with which they are held does not prevent nationalist loyalties from being transferable. To begin with, as I have pointed out already, they can be and often are fastened up on some foreign country. One quite commonly finds that great national leaders, or the founders of nationalist movements, do not even belong to the country they have glorified. Sometimes they are outright foreigners, or more often they come from peripheral areas where nationality is doubtful. Examples are Stalin, Hitler, Napoleon, de Valera, Disraeli, Poincare, Beaverbrook.

 

[revol68]

And you know this for certain?

are you denying that Syria and Iran back hezbullah?

How fucking niave are you?

Were do you think the iranian kaysusha's come from?

 

[nino_savatte]

are you denying that Syria and Iran back hezbullah?

How fucking niave are you?

Were do you think the iranian kaysusha's come from?

FFS! Read and fucking comprehend, where did I say that Syria and Iran didn't back Hizb'allah?

Aye, a few IRGs went down to Southern Lebanon for the day to take on the IDF.

I guess the word "disinformation" is absent from your vocabulary - non? Or perhaps the possiblity that this could be part of a campaign of disinformation doesn't bother you - right? Who wants a scrap with Iran and Syria?

I expect something patronising by way of reply.

 

[revol68]

well that's why i asked, fuckface.

Cos you didn't make it very clear what you were saying.

Especially as the guy you were referring to, didn't say that the IRG were fighting in South Lebanon, and the only sentence that was concrete enough to warrant such a narrow question was in relation to Syria and Iran backing hezbullah.

 

[nino_savatte]

well that's why i asked, fuckface.

Cos you didn't make it very clear what you were saying.

Especially as the guy you were referring to, didn't say that the IRG were fighting in South Lebanon, and the only sentence that was concrete enough to warrant such a narrow question was in relation to Syria and Iran backing hezbullah.

No need to be so fucking rude, cunt. Have you always been this unpleasant or do you have to work at it?

Arsehole.

 

[revol68]

No need to be so fucking rude, cunt. Have you always been this unpleasant or do you have to work at it?

Arsehole.

It's a gift.

 

[ViolentPanda]

if you were an IRG member in the lebannon would you be hanging out in the bekka or heading off to have a crack at the idf ?
iran and syria are backers or hezbollah eveybody knows that next uncle sam supplys weapons to the idf shock horror

You're a part-time squaddie, so you tell me; would soldiers from one of their nation's most disciplined regiments leave their posts against orders so that they could "get some"?

 

[nino_savatte]

It's a gift.

 

[ViolentPanda]

are you denying that Syria and Iran back hezbullah?

How fucking niave are you?

Were do you think the iranian kaysusha's come from?

From China and the FSU mostly, old bean.

 

[revol68]

From China and the FSU mostly, old bean.

note the word "iranian" infront of Katyusha in my post, or are you saying they don't have Iranian Katyusha's?

 

[nino_savatte]

Were do you think the iranian kaysusha's come from?

Like VP said, friend.

 

[revol68]

Like VP said, friend.

The "Iranian" katyusha's come from China?

No you see my question was rhetorical. The iranian katyusha's ie those katyusha's from Iran, where do they come from?

Now perhaps I'm wrong but I'm pretty certain that the Fajr-3 rockets are Iranian, or have the FSU and China got a fetish for Persian names?

 

[Crispy]

It's a gift.

Did you get a receipt? Cos it's broken

 

[nino_savatte]

The "Iranian" katyusha's come from China?

No you see my question was rhetorical. The iranian katyusha's ie those katyusha's from Iran, where do they come from?

Now perhaps I'm wrong but I'm pretty certain that the Fajr-3 rockets are Iranian, or have the FSU and China got a fetish for Persian names?

What does the name "katushka" (or even, "katyusha") tell you? It's a bit like the auld "kalashnikov".

 

[xenon]

Aside from the argument about Iranion troops fighting with Hez Bollah. I'm losing track here what's being said. Are people doubting Iran Syria have supplied arms to Hez Bollah?

What's so proposterous if they have?

On the IRG thing. I share the skeptisism. It could only damage Iran's position with regards the west if elements of the IRG were found to have been engaged in combat with the IDF. That is one way of looking at it. But I'm not ready to totally discount the fact they might have.

Skeptical though as I say.

 

[nino_savatte]

Aside from the argument about Iranion troops fighting with Hez Bollah. I'm losing track here what's being said. Are people doubting Iran Syria have supplied arms to Hez Bollah?

What's so proposterous if they have?

On the IRG thing. I share the skeptisism. It could only damage Iran's position with regards the west if elements of the IRG were found to have been engaged in combat with the IDF. That is one way of looking at it. But I'm not ready to totally discount the fact they might have.

Skeptical though as I say.

I started this thread to express my scepticism at the IDF report that they had discovered "Iranian fighters" among the dead in South Lebanon. This is interesting too, given the fact that the IDF aren't always forthcoming with information. Add to this the fact that the US has been itching for a fight with Iran (and Syria) and voila! Curiously enough the story seems to have disappeared. I'll need to see which information providers are still running it.

 

[revol68]

What does the name "katushka" (or even, "katyusha") tell you? It's a bit like the auld "kalashnikov".

Katyusha tells me nothing other than they are named after a Russian girl.

It's the Fajr in Fajr-3 that is the clue ie it's persian for Dawn.

 

[nino_savatte]

Katyusha tells me nothing other than they are named after a Russian girl.

It's the Fajr in Fajr-3 that is the clue ie it's persian for Dawn.

Well, bully for you.

I fell in love with a starship trooper.

 

[xenon]

I can accept Iran supporting Hez Bolah with equipment but I just don't see what is in it for them to have their military involved in the actual conflict. Would seem a bit suicidal handing the US that much evidence.

 

[hipipol]

revol68

Care to explain the provenance of F-16 while you're at it?
See no reason why Iran cant help the resistnce, well short of sending troops, as the US does with the Jewish Colonists

 

[xenon]

If Hez bolah do have a Fajr-3, which i'll assume is a long range rocket. Haven't looked it up. I suspect Iran would be using all their influence or control if you want, to make sure they don't launch that at Televeve. That would be suicidal again by the Iranions.

Hate to say it and god forbid one does. but if such a weapon hits the Israely capital in the near future, I'll be very bloody suspicious to say the least.

 

[revol68]

Care to explain the provenance of F-16 while you're at it?
See no reason why Iran cant help the resistnce, well short of sending troops, as the US does with the Jewish Colonists

did i make a fucking judgement call on it.

I was merely stating the fucking facts you hysterical fucking charicature of a wadical.

Israel is supplied by the yanks, hezbullah by Syria and iran, if you wish to make idiotic moral calls on these facts your welcome to.

As it is i'm totally opposed to Israel's actions.

dickhead.

 

[likesfish]

irg would probably be very keen to have a go at the idf
not exactly if it makes a big diffrence

 

[scott_forester]

irg would probably be very keen to have a go at the idf
not exactly if it makes a big diffrence

excatly

 

[ViolentPanda]

note the word "iranian" infront of Katyusha in my post, or are you saying they don't have Iranian Katyusha's?

Nah, I'm saying it's cheaper for the Iranians to ship them in via Central Asia (from China and the FSU) and give them a paint job than it is to construct their own, given the amount of surplus laying around in arsenals in those countries.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The "Iranian" katyusha's come from China?

No you see my question was rhetorical. The iranian katyusha's ie those katyusha's from Iran, where do they come from?

Now perhaps I'm wrong but I'm pretty certain that the Fajr-3 rockets are Iranian, or have the FSU and China got a fetish for Persian names?

That's what is commonly known as "rebranding", same as the British army calling the Belgian FN FAL rifle the "L1A1 SLR", and the aussies calling their version of the Sterling sub-machine gun the "Lanchester". It's a sop to national pride.

 

[ViolentPanda]

did i make a fucking judgement call on it.

I was merely stating the fucking facts you hysterical fucking charicature of a wadical.

Israel is supplied by the yanks, hezbullah by Syria and iran, if you wish to make idiotic moral calls on these facts your welcome to.

As it is i'm totally opposed to Israel's actions.

dickhead.

You really don't need to put your signature at the end of your post, you know.

 

[ViolentPanda]

irg would probably be very keen to have a go at the idf

They might very well be keen to scrap, but I'll ask you again: Do you believe that soldiers from one of the most disciplined regiments in Iran would ignore their standing orders and slope off the entire length of Lebanon to have an illicit ruck?

 

[revol68]

That's what is commonly known as "rebranding", same as the British army calling the Belgian FN FAL rifle the "L1A1 SLR", and the aussies calling their version of the Sterling sub-machine gun the "Lanchester". It's a sop to national pride.

yes, of course, but it doesn't stop the weapons being from Iran. Dear fucking christ, does that mean that the Coke I bought done the shops isn't really from Dundalk cos it's a US product.

Also the Fajr-3 is actually Iranian designed and built.