Ideas for Freedom: a weekend of socialist discussion and debate, 29 June-1 July

[tbaldwin]

You talk incessantly about immigration. Funny how none of you ever mention emigration, isn't it?

Oh and your another who often refers to this shadowy entity that you call "the Left". Who is this "Left" and why do you never mention "the Right" in similar disparaging tones?

nino. Treelover and Durruti etc people have been active in left wing activity.

I dont think you ever have? Perhaps they have learnt something from their experiences.
You seem to be of the opinion that anybody who is critical of the soft left line on migration is some kind of right wing racist.....Did you see the Observer yesterday big editorial on migration. It seems like the only paper with it head still firmly in the sand is the independent.

 

[fanciful]

Its a pragmatic question for them. Originally the neo-cons had a fantasy about being welcomed roses in arm. Now they have accepted the facts and want a military dictatorship based on the army. That at least is the thrust of the Iraq Study Group report and it is shared by Bush, albeit he disagrees about when to pull out the US troops.

 

[nino_savatte]

nino. Treelover and Durruti etc people have been active in left wing activity.

I dont think you ever have? Perhaps they have learnt something from their experiences.
You seem to be of the opinion that anybody who is critical of the soft left line on migration is some kind of right wing racist.....Did you see the Observer yesterday big editorial on migration. It seems like the only paper with it head still firmly in the sand is the independent.

As I've said before, I only have your word to go on that you have been "involved" in "left wing activity". As far as I am concerned, you're a bullshitter who has nothing to offer but lies and smears. On the contrary, it is you and your pals who don't like your views on immigration questioned. Tough shit.

For someone who claims to have been involved in "left wing activity", you spend an inordinate amount of time attacking the "Left". That says to me that you're an inveterate liar and a fantasist.

I've been involved in the fight against racism all my life. As far as I am concerned, you play the same game as the racists and far right parties. I'm also willing to bet that you don't know any black people and you are as white as the driven snow. Hell, you even had the gall to suggest that I was a "white liberal". You don't start any of these threads for the purpose of debate or discussion. You begin them to satisfy your ego and to express your deeply held racist views.

 

[cockneyrebel]

I don't know enough about the AWL to comment, but I think the US probably do want a parliamentary democracy in Iraq. Or do you think they want a pro-US, Saddam like dictator?

As fanciful says I don't think they care, it's matter of pragmatism and what will secure them military bases and oil. They couldn't give a shit whether it is a democracry or military dictatorship. For the AWL or anyone else to suggest that the US want democracy is a joke. They want whatever suits their interests.

 

[cockneyrebel]

It comes to something when the AWL are to the right of General Sir Michael Rose!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/03/nrose103.xml

A former commander of the British Army has said that Britain and America should "admit defeat" and withdraw from Iraq.

General Sir Michael Rose also said he understood why insurgents were attacking coalition forces and said he believed they were right to try and force invading troops out of the country.

 

[tbaldwin]

As I've said before, I only have your word to go on that you have been "involved" in "left wing activity". As far as I am concerned, you're a bullshitter who has nothing to offer but lies and smears. On the contrary, it is you and your pals who don't like your views on immigration questioned. Tough shit.

For someone who claims to have been involved in "left wing activity", you spend an inordinate amount of time attacking the "Left". That says to me that you're an inveterate liar and a fantasist.

I've been involved in the fight against racism all my life. As far as I am concerned, you play the same game as the racists and far right parties. I'm also willing to bet that you don't know any black people and you are as white as the driven snow. Hell, you even had the gall to suggest that I was a "white liberal". You don't start any of these threads for the purpose of debate or discussion. You begin them to satisfy your ego and to express your deeply held racist views.

nino. You base your assumptions on what? The fact that i am against economic migration? That i argue consistently against taking skilled workers from the poorer countries who need them most?
Or just that i disagree with you?
If your willing to bet that i dont know any Black people why dont you suggest a sum?
I am sure that i could arrange to meet you that is if you want to test your assumptions?

 

[nino_savatte]

nino. You base your assumptions on what? The fact that i am against economic migration? That i argue consistently against taking skilled workers from the poorer countries who need them most?
Or just that i disagree with you?
If your willing to bet that i dont know any Black people why dont you suggest a sum?
I am sure that i could arrange to meet you that is if you want to test your assumptions?

1. There are no "assumptions".
2. I have no desire to meet you.
3. Go whistle.

 

[tbaldwin]

1. There are no "assumptions".
2. I have no desire to meet you.
3. Go whistle.

So your not willing to bet after all?