There are lots of reasons to be upset - the linking of previously discrete information about individuals, state data maximisation, the lack of security and sufficient legal privacy protections, the range of institutions able to access the information and its potential leakiness, the fact that it is part of a general trend towards the illiberalisation of our society. Etc etc.
ID cards Red Alert! "processing" starts soon without much action
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chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
I don't need an ID card.
I know exactly who I am.
Not only that, I will share this information with anyone I see fit to do so.
So why would I need a card?
I think it surely makes it easier to find criminals and if found, to actually verify their ID.
salaam.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Well, if anecdotal tales of some of them refusing alcohol to anyone under 30 without ID are anything to go by, then I wouldn't bank them (and other shops) not playing along.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
It is not about deterrence, it is about giving law enforcement tools to work with instead of guesswork about "who is who and where does who is who live and is who really the who he claims to be or the who we think he is".
salaam
skyscraper101
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I don't see the difference these will make to how tracked and traceable I already am. Let me see:
I live in London and am supposedly caught on CCTV '300 times a day'
I have an Oyster Card registered
I have several credit cards
I have a debit card
I'm on the electoral role
I have a biometric passport
I have a photographic drivers license
I use a mobile phone, as well as two landlines regularly
I mean I can't see how much more tracing they could do unless I were to wear a GPS ankle bracelet or something. I'm not against ID cards because I feel they are an invasion of my liberty, I just increasingly fail to see the point of them, unless they could somehow amalgamate a number of things in an all in one card (eg. NHS essential information, drivers license, passport, Age ID etc) with an aim to reduce costs.
As it looks increasingly likely that it will cost us millions rather than save us millions and be no more useful as ID than my drivers license currently is, it seems less and less appealing.
I live in London and am supposedly caught on CCTV '300 times a day'
I have an Oyster Card registered
I have several credit cards
I have a debit card
I'm on the electoral role
I have a biometric passport
I have a photographic drivers license
I use a mobile phone, as well as two landlines regularly
I mean I can't see how much more tracing they could do unless I were to wear a GPS ankle bracelet or something. I'm not against ID cards because I feel they are an invasion of my liberty, I just increasingly fail to see the point of them, unless they could somehow amalgamate a number of things in an all in one card (eg. NHS essential information, drivers license, passport, Age ID etc) with an aim to reduce costs.
As it looks increasingly likely that it will cost us millions rather than save us millions and be no more useful as ID than my drivers license currently is, it seems less and less appealing.
xes
F.O.A.D
skyscraper,a,you don't need a gps anklet if you have a mobile phone,and b,this chip card will have everything of your life on it. Just think about what happens when it's inevitably hacked by bad people. And when you have NO money cos you won't have one. As this is now the only acceptable form of cash. They can fuck right off. They ain't chipping me,and i won't carry this fucking card.
they've already started micropchipping prisoners,you're next.
they've already started micropchipping prisoners,you're next.
skyscraper101
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xes
F.O.A.D
it'#s not just tracing,it holds everything together (this is why they've been "missplacing" all these data discs. So you think that it'd be a great idea if all your info was in 1 place,then those silly billies can't leave it on a train) Your dental records,job records,doctors notes,your sexuality,your bank details everything. It will also be the only way you can buy things. Without it,you will have to go live underground like in the fillm demolition man. This is what they are creating. Actually,the demolitin man film is a good one to watch if you want know what's around the corner. Do you want all that,just 1 click away from criminals and police and interchanglably police criminals
This is all made of bad and evil,I don't want to be a part of it.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
http://www.ips.gov.uk/identity/contact.asp
The ID database is the most worrying aspect of this. If you have appied for a passport recently, your information may already be on it. I've asked at the form above whether mine is, and if it is for them to remove it.
I have no confidence that they can keep it secure. And even less confidence about what they will use it for.
The ID database is the most worrying aspect of this. If you have appied for a passport recently, your information may already be on it. I've asked at the form above whether mine is, and if it is for them to remove it.
I have no confidence that they can keep it secure. And even less confidence about what they will use it for.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Oh, had they said that, I was unaware guv
Well that makes D Davis's stand even more perplexing to me.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
he's a puzzle inside an enigma inside perspex. Perplex. Thing.Oh, had they said that, I was unaware guv
Well that makes D Davis's stand even more perplexing to me.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
And just look how they messed up the drivers licence upgrade.
Before we had - one piece of paper which was our valid drivers licence.
After we have - a photo card licence which is invalid as a licence unless we have - a bit of paper as well
So we swopped one piece of paper for a card and a piece of paper. A doubling of complexity. A doubling of bits of material for us to keep track of.
skyscraper101
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I use my drivers license as photo ID in supermarkets, pubs, and post offices. And for driving too.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Maybe, maybe not. Any direct action worth doing will not be the sort to be advertised on websites and email lists anyway
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Erm, you must appear rather younger than me, I don't think I have ever been asked for a photo ID.
skyscraper101
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Yeah, apparently I must look about 17 to the staff in Morrisons even though I'm actually 27.
Ditto, half the pubs and clubs in London.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Steve Booth
Bourgeois apologist
Brains in Vats
Bloody Hell, this is even more seriously scarey that I thought it was, that's the place where the brains in vats are being kept....DotCommunist said:
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
stupid kid
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A bit like a birth certificate. If I'm alive then why do I need a certificate to prove I was born?
stupid kid
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I use my 5 year old provisional license. Cost me £40 back then and I've still never been behind the wheel of a car. Does a fine job for ID, and even though it looks nothing like me now, I've only had one person turn round and say it's not me.
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