ID cards: Brown is pushing for them: Next phase of campaign must begin
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Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Politicians say that we must not curtail our freedoms in the name of terrorism. That we must defend our civil liberties. Then in the same breath they use terrorism as one reason to enforce these cards.
Who has won here? The millions of UK people who aren't terrorists or the handful who due to their actions have let the government enforce a draconian system?
Up is down, black is white.
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Freedom is not divisible.
Politicians say that we must not curtail our freedoms in the name of terrorism. That we must defend our civil liberties. Then in the same breath they use terrorism as one reason to enforce these cards.
Who has won here? The millions of UK people who aren't terrorists or the handful who due to their actions have let the government enforce a draconian system?
Up is down, black is white.
Genghis Cohen
Minister For Scrabble
TAE said:
Sum's up my feelings on the matter.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
taffboy gwyrdd[I said:
No, because I am such a stumbling incoherent crisis in a bad suit that I barely function in my own job, without getting involved in creepy big brother shit. I hardly even read my emails to be honest.
If the fog in my mind clears I may be able to glean a bit. Civil Service job website is always fucking whining for faceless cocksuckers to run these places, or it was until recently. Not sure if it's just the internal bit of the site or the one you get by gooooogling.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
The internet and the world at large is one strange thing for me. One second I'm on the net discussing about ID cards and the erosion of civil liberties, the next I'm in a field outside my house where the authorities have dared venture in 40 odd years. South Armagh is great! 
Genghis Cohen
Minister For Scrabble
They never had to be legally 'compulsory' that was the whole point.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/38114000/rm/_38114096_idcards15_blunkettshort_vi.ram
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/38114000/rm/_38114096_idcards15_blunkettshort_vi.ram
taffboy gwyrdd
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To clarify: At time of writing, if Labour form the next government they will whip their MPs to make signing to the NIR compulsory for all residents of the UK.
That's mandatory fingerprinting and eyescanning and monitoring of 50 other categories of personal information - available to "commercial partners".
Cant get over the scale of the Orwellian hideousness of this scheme in a paragraph, but I'm still accutely aware of the ignorance and complacency surrounding this scheme.
Of course, if I were a nasty shit planning this, I'd want people ignorant and complacent about it.
Please make sure you're not one of the ignorant ones.
http://www.no2id.net
That's mandatory fingerprinting and eyescanning and monitoring of 50 other categories of personal information - available to "commercial partners".
Cant get over the scale of the Orwellian hideousness of this scheme in a paragraph, but I'm still accutely aware of the ignorance and complacency surrounding this scheme.
Of course, if I were a nasty shit planning this, I'd want people ignorant and complacent about it.
Please make sure you're not one of the ignorant ones.
http://www.no2id.net
taffboy gwyrdd
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jastared said:
Prior to the opening of the "processing" (interrogation) centres there is less scope for DA. Once they open to fingerprint and eyescan asylum claimants they will be more of a DA target.
In the meantime its still a matter of engaging people in street leafleting, public meetings which is happening. If you want to take part it should be easy to find somewhere local to you at the No2ID site. You can snipe at people for not doing anything, but people are doing stuff. If you aint doing anything you sniping at yourself of course.
Hackers will probably be doing hacky things which is above my head. People are trying to keep track of where the state and civil service are up to with the scheme.
I dont have much confidence that No2ID will be great direct activists come the time, but others will come out of the woodwork, like Defy ID. But we will need more than that.
What you are forgetting jastared is that resistance to this scheme, like the poll tax, can be achieved by doing NOTHING. Sure, the state will threaten us with huge fines for not submitting to their disgusting database but essentially all a person has to do is NOT BOTHER. The more people who dont bother and refuse, the easier it will be to bring this shit down. When people turn up to the "processing centres" (there are 69 planned) there will be pickets saying "dont bother - ring in sick, think about this before you let yourself be treated like a sex offender" (the state will be monitoring where we live as one part of this scheme).
If we submit to defeatist pessimism we are doing the work of the authoritarian state for them and little better in practice than their craven apologists.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
This thread needs a BUMP
The state plans to round up the population for fingerprinting, eye-scanning and life-monitoring.
i've started quite a few threads on the issue down the years on U75. Im not being moany or funny but I'd have thunk people here would be livid and itching to discuss what was happening. But they always seem to run out of steam
The later you leave it the harder it will get folks 
The state plans to round up the population for fingerprinting, eye-scanning and life-monitoring.
i've started quite a few threads on the issue down the years on U75. Im not being moany or funny but I'd have thunk people here would be livid and itching to discuss what was happening. But they always seem to run out of steam
The later you leave it the harder it will get folks chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
I'm not having one. I decided.
If about 5% of the population* do that the whole scheme is fucked and a good thing too.
*Not including illegals, terrorists etc. who won't be joining in anyway.
If about 5% of the population* do that the whole scheme is fucked and a good thing too.
*Not including illegals, terrorists etc. who won't be joining in anyway.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
chainsaw cat said:
If the scheme lasts more than a few years more and more people wont be able to leave the country without one. I renewed last year but that would only give me till 2016. I would emigrate except that if it works here they'll be bringing it in everywhere else.
RhymnRzn
anti-doter
taffboy gwyrdd said:This thread needs a BUMP
The state plans to round up the population for fingerprinting, eye-scanning and life-monitoring.
i've started quite a few threads on the issue down the years on U75. Im not being moany or funny but I'd have thunk people here would be livid and itching to discuss what was happening. But they always seem to run out of steam
i'll bat the locusts
taffboy gwyrdd said:
No, don't think that coz it happens in britain it'll happen elsewhere. Hardly anyone copies the british at anything. Most certainly i see far more impressive technology in asian countries than in backwards britain.
As for emigrating, that won't necessarily work. I have done. I cannot live in any country without a british passport. My passport expires in 2010... i need to renew it...
I will of course be fingerprinted and eye-photographed, just like any thai who wants to get a visa for a holiday to the stupid country.
Britain is in the grip of a madness, far worse than orwell imagined.
taffboy gwyrdd said:This thread needs a BUMP
The state plans to round up the population for fingerprinting, eye-scanning and life-monitoring.
i've started quite a few threads on the issue down the years on U75. Im not being moany or funny but I'd have thunk people here would be livid and itching to discuss what was happening. But they always seem to run out of steam
Again, kudos mate, but i can't help but think these cards will be implemented with barely a wimper. The population at large are supine. Orwell knew what his fellow countrymen were like.
But even he couldn't have foreseen quite the influence and damage the television was going to unleash.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Indeed. If the government orderd everyone to jump off a cliff tomorrow, they'd all willingly do it - just so long as each person was made responsible for pushing the one in front of them off first. It's the same way they get away with horrendous shit in the workplaces in the UK by making everyobody the line-manager of someobody else - thus encouraging bullying and scabbing whilst undermining solidarity.fela fan said:
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
A great post by someone else on the Guardian website.
They lie about the benefits
even when each benefit they claim is shown to be fraudulent, and at best only obtainable by intrusive levels of ID demands
They lie about the risks.
even when they are pointed out to them.
even when the details of the deficiencies in existing legislation have been highlighted.
even when the suggested safeguards have been ignored, and this fact pointed out.
They lie about the costs
and seek to cover up their lies by refusing to publish the reports, even in the face of a ruling saying they must
They lie about all opposition
"something to hide"
"paranoid"
supporting terrorism...
all ways of trying to portray opposition to their plans as antisocial or unpatriotic.
They lie about the neeed.
and instead artificially create more cases where ID must be produced, in order to promote a perception that a need exists.
They lie about the effects on society.
when even they incompetent and weak officialdom who are responsible for the figleaf of respectability for their actions are forced into warning on the "surveillance society"
They lie about the relationship between the individual and the state.
knowing that the right to demand that everyone ID themselves is a clear creation of power for officials over the public
They lie about the Human Rights implications
and deny the All Party Interest Group access to the data.
The lie about the scope
when the emergence of data sharing means that the NIR as a global index is a powerful tool for data mining.
They lie about the data
Having to be reminded every time that storing requests for information is itself a hugely valuable way of tracking people.
They lie about the isolation
Pretending that this is just one matter, when the combination of
ID cards,
NIR,
data sharing,
street cameras,
real-time-tracking speeding cameras that store care movement details for years,
monitoring of phone call traffic data and storing it for years,
monitoring of internet traffic data and storing it for years,
monitoring of cellphone position data and storing it for years
releasing data at will to the USA and other bodies that don't have our data safeguards
all contribute to a serious risk of the erosion of privacy.
They lie.
They lie.
They lie.
And given the other things they lied about - intelligence, WMDs, 45 minutes, dodgy dossiers,...
And given the past attempts to extend acts like the RIPA to give nearly every single government department down to and including the white fish authority the right to such surveillance data - an attempt defeated only because the then Home Sec's own son took him aside and spelled it out...
And given the authoritarian nature of the arrogant bastards who refuse to understand the existence of risks, or their own role in creating the risks, and the very fact that their own lies demonstrate the risks...
Like I say, they can SPIN on this!
They lie about the benefits
even when each benefit they claim is shown to be fraudulent, and at best only obtainable by intrusive levels of ID demands
They lie about the risks.
even when they are pointed out to them.
even when the details of the deficiencies in existing legislation have been highlighted.
even when the suggested safeguards have been ignored, and this fact pointed out.
They lie about the costs
and seek to cover up their lies by refusing to publish the reports, even in the face of a ruling saying they must
They lie about all opposition
"something to hide"
"paranoid"
supporting terrorism...
all ways of trying to portray opposition to their plans as antisocial or unpatriotic.
They lie about the neeed.
and instead artificially create more cases where ID must be produced, in order to promote a perception that a need exists.
They lie about the effects on society.
when even they incompetent and weak officialdom who are responsible for the figleaf of respectability for their actions are forced into warning on the "surveillance society"
They lie about the relationship between the individual and the state.
knowing that the right to demand that everyone ID themselves is a clear creation of power for officials over the public
They lie about the Human Rights implications
and deny the All Party Interest Group access to the data.
The lie about the scope
when the emergence of data sharing means that the NIR as a global index is a powerful tool for data mining.
They lie about the data
Having to be reminded every time that storing requests for information is itself a hugely valuable way of tracking people.
They lie about the isolation
Pretending that this is just one matter, when the combination of
ID cards,
NIR,
data sharing,
street cameras,
real-time-tracking speeding cameras that store care movement details for years,
monitoring of phone call traffic data and storing it for years,
monitoring of internet traffic data and storing it for years,
monitoring of cellphone position data and storing it for years
releasing data at will to the USA and other bodies that don't have our data safeguards
all contribute to a serious risk of the erosion of privacy.
They lie.
They lie.
They lie.
And given the other things they lied about - intelligence, WMDs, 45 minutes, dodgy dossiers,...
And given the past attempts to extend acts like the RIPA to give nearly every single government department down to and including the white fish authority the right to such surveillance data - an attempt defeated only because the then Home Sec's own son took him aside and spelled it out...
And given the authoritarian nature of the arrogant bastards who refuse to understand the existence of risks, or their own role in creating the risks, and the very fact that their own lies demonstrate the risks...
Like I say, they can SPIN on this!
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
smokedout said:
Jolly good idea. needs decent organising, cant be left to the S*P
smokedout said:
Yes, we had discussed it in the following thread, post #104 for example:
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=209074&page=5
Are we going to press ahead with this or what ?
taffboy gwyrdd
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TAE said:
Tx, Read that post
1st September seems a bit soon to get publicity and local rallies done over summer when so many are away.
When I next see my local No2ID national contact (a Libdem but perfectly pallatable
) I'll ask him to sound out Phil Booth. I'll also try and get the Green Party on board, but to do so at a national level might have to wait till conference in September. It certainly is time to let the state know there is a large mass of people who will not tolerate fucking around with our basic rights. This is very broad based IMO, we should welcome right of centre libertarians so long as they aint racist. I dont have a truck with patriotism, but it is a patriots duty to stand up to a tyrannical state. We need all hands on deck to beat the database, if they divide they will rule.i can contact phil booth, i have a link to him
ive spoken to some of the legalise cannabis folk and they are interested and the bdsm community is also v interested
i dont think anything could happen before next year because it will take a lot of networking between different groups, but im more than happy to meet for a drink to discuss it with anyone who has links to the various groups who might be interested
ive spoken to some of the legalise cannabis folk and they are interested and the bdsm community is also v interested
i dont think anything could happen before next year because it will take a lot of networking between different groups, but im more than happy to meet for a drink to discuss it with anyone who has links to the various groups who might be interested
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