Ian Curtis

[Dask]

Let's face it, if Ian Curtis hadn't killed his self then they'd all be painting and decorating for a living now.

What an absolute load of bollocks, do you think New Order where only successful because people felt sorry for them?

 

[bmd]

What an absolute load of bollocks, do you think New Order where only successful because people felt sorry for them?

I think there were other bands around at the time, even on the Factory label, that were more deserving of the intense focus that Joy Division were subject to because of Curtis' death. I also think his death had a large influence on New Order's success.

JD were the Emo band for 60's babies.

 

[pk]

I think there were other bands around at the time, even on the Factory label, that were more deserving of the intense focus that Joy Division were subject to because of Curtis' death. I also think his death had a large influence on New Order's success.

JD were the Emo band for 60's babies.

Naaa, I don't agree at all.

New Order did it on their own merit.

Most of the million or so people who bought Blue Monday didn't give a fuck about Joy Division - they, like me, just liked the brutal drum machine blended with the dirty bassline.

And I don't think the Durutti Column or Caberet Voltaire deserved any more attention than Joy Division.

As a note of interest - the last ever Factory product - FAC 501 - was Tony Wilson's coffin. Allegedly.

 

[bmd]

Naaa, I don't agree at all.

New Order did it on their own merit.

Most of the million or so people who bought Blue Monday didn't give a fuck about Joy Division - they, like me, just liked the brutal drum machine blended with the dirty bassline.

And I don't think the Durutti Column or Caberet Voltaire deserved any more attention than Joy Division.

As a note of interest - the last ever Factory product - FAC 501 - was Tony Wilson's coffin. Allegedly.

I'll give you Blue Monday, then they're one of those bands that you see on TOTP2 and wonder what they're up to now.

Durutti Column, A Certain Ratio, Cabaret Voltaire, Scritti Politti etc were far more musically interesting but had a living lead singer, which was clearly a bad career move.

Listen to that BBC radio program and you'll hear Tony Wilson's toe-curlingly embarrassing comment about Joy Division, that they had no other choice but to be on stage and that encapsulates the utter balls that is woven around them.

 

[pk]

Well I preferred Barney's vocal to Ian's anyway.

Though not Hooky's. His attempt at "Dreams Never End" is abominable.

 

[bmd]

Well I preferred Barney's vocal to Ian's anyway.

Though not Hooky's. His attempt at "Dreams Never End" is abominable.

Too right.

Since 2002, Hook has begun doing DJ sets, though numerous videos recorded of him live show him doing nothing more than playing a free CD included in Mixmag.

Stroll on.

Apparently he's about to unleash his new band Freebass, which is him, Mani and Andy Rourke. To be fair it sounds a lot more interesting than fucking Revenge or Monaco.

 

[pk]

Hookys side projects just sounded like he was trying to prove he could be New Order by himself.
And failing.

I think Gillian is the much overlooked influence on the bands sound, she took it away from the masculine Joy Division noise into something lighter and more accessible.

I have yet to hear any of The Other Two recordings, but to be honest New Order are the sum of its parts, and my interest waned after Technique really, other than gems like True Faith they just seem to be treading water.

 

[Annierak]

Hookys side projects just sounded like he was trying to prove he could be New Order by himself.
And failing.

I think Gillian is the much overlooked influence on the bands sound, she took it away from the masculine Joy Division noise into something lighter and more accessible.

I have yet to hear any of The Other Two recordings, but to be honest New Order are the sum of its parts, and my interest waned after Technique really, other than gems like True Faith they just seem to be treading water.

They released a great single in 1991 called 'Tasty Fish'

 

[Part 2]

Hookys side projects just sounded like he was trying to prove he could be New Order by himself.
And failing.

^^
this.

He always strikes me as a bit of a cock.

NO/JD, I love em both though, guaranteed something I can listen to whenever really.

Hi BMD...long time!

 

[bmd]

Hookys side projects just sounded like he was trying to prove he could be New Order by himself.
And failing.

I think Gillian is the much overlooked influence on the bands sound, she took it away from the masculine Joy Division noise into something lighter and more accessible.

I have yet to hear any of The Other Two recordings, but to be honest New Order are the sum of its parts, and my interest waned after Technique really, other than gems like True Faith they just seem to be treading water.

I agree about Gillian, her influence on the band really interested me. I feel pretty much the same about the stuff after Technique too, which is making for a very boring post but there ya go.

 

[pk]

They released a great single in 1991 called 'Tasty Fish'

I will seek their work out when I get round to it, they seem the level headed element... Is their daughter OK now? She was terribly ill, Grace was her name, which sounds like it should have a Factory catalogue number too!

 

[pk]

making for a very boring post but there ya go.

Its like the filler track on all their albums - Every Second Counts springs to mind... So thus perfectly in keeping with the thread topic.

 

[Annierak]

I will seek their work out when I get round to it, they seem the level headed element... Is their daughter OK now? She was terribly ill, Grace was her name, which sounds like it should have a Factory catalogue number too!

Not sure how Grace is now but i know Gillian was forced to stay home and not tour with the band since 2001. Not sure about now though

 

[bmd]

^^
this.

He always strikes me as a bit of a cock.

NO/JD, I love em both though, guaranteed something I can listen to whenever really.

Hi BMD...long time!

Hello mate, hope you and yours are well.

pk...aye, that about sums it up.

 

[pk]

Not sure how Grace is now but i know Gillian was forced to stay home and not tour with the band since 2001. Not sure about now though

Through this thread we send our good vibes, she must be 8 or 9 by now!!?

 

[Annierak]

Through this thread we send our good vibes, she must be 8 or 9 by now!!?

Not sure how old she is now but yeh lets hope she's ok.

 

[audiotech]

What an awful wankfest that was. It sounded like Pseuds Corner for Joy Division fans. Let's face it, if Ian Curtis hadn't killed his self then they'd all be painting and decorating for a living now.

Possibly.

I enjoyed the programme.

Funny when Peter Hook was going '...me and...', ...well, I thought...' and then Matthew Parris jumps in: 'we're focusing on Ian Curtis here' and hooky replies something like oh, right.

 

[Dr. Furface]

I agree on Curtis' vocals - sometimes brilliant sometimes dire but i'd argue Hannett's production made Joy Division far more interesting on record than they might have been.

Try to find the Warsaw cd - it was originally a bootleg but its freely available now - which contains demo versions of songs most of which they later recorded as Joy Division. Hannett wasnt involved with them at all at the time but they sound great, rougher and rawer than the later versions with Hannett - which were great too, but just different.

 

[albionism]

I think there were other bands around at the time, even on the Factory label, that were more deserving of the intense focus that Joy Division were subject to because of Curtis' death. I also think his death had a large influence on New Order's success.

JD were the Emo band for 60's babies.

Can't say i agree there. Had the lead singer of Durutti Column or A Certain Ratio
died in 1980 i doubt very much that award winning films would be made about them decades later.

 

[albionism]

Try to find the Warsaw cd - it was originally a bootleg but its freely available now - which contains demo versions of songs most of which they later recorded as Joy Division. Hannett wasnt involved with them at all at the time but they sound great, rougher and rawer than the later versions with Hannett - which were great too, but just different.

As a JD fan, i actually prefer some of the earlier Warsaw tracks than the later, Hannett produces JD ones. The version of Walked in Line on the Warsaw bootleg is far superior than the one on Still IMO.

 

[moose]

Is their daughter OK now? She was terribly ill, Grace was her name, which sounds like it should have a Factory catalogue number too!

She's partially paralysed and uses a wheelchair. I see them in the supermarket sometimes.