I worry that many on the extreme Left are damaged people full of hate.

[durruti02]

This may be partly true, and I don't entirely disagree (as I think my posts demonstrate) but it always makes me laugh / cry how the posts such as the opening piece, and the above post, seem to suffer so horribly from the same problem of making such sweepingly judgemental statements about people

fair play .. truth is, sufferring from being ecologically and politically over educated , as i see the world being fked around me , i fight misanthrophy and judegementalism every day ..but by constantly talking and working with people i am continually re ... re .. re invigorated .. whatever the word is!!

but it just really depresses me that ideologies that make out they are humanist ( @ism and socialism) , for human liberation etc etc have to a great degree been taken over by the fundamentalist and evangelicals ..

 

[Julie]

Would the Bahamas do?

Yes please:

 

[Fledgling]

Who mates and reproduces with whom is really important. It's a fundamental principle in all of nature. In a free society such as ours (free-ish, in this respect), you go for the most attractive one you can get. Attractive is usually correlated with health, beauty, and in our society wealth and aggressiveness. .

I think that's a rather large assumption.

Any form of social engieering striving for utopian ends will be viewed with mistrust by enough of the population to make it unworkable and ultimately oppressive. Why start at the end, surely it's better to start at the beginnnig with the current system of flawed human beings. Becuase at present you sound as though you beleive we can somehow breed out undesirable qualities, AND that some will define what is and what is undesirable. I could be wrong about your meaning but at the moment I'd be inclined to opt out of this proposed society.

 

[Binkie]

Why start at the end, surely it's better to start at the beginnnig with the current system of flawed human beings.

That's one of the unfortunate features of the so-called 'scientific socialism' idea. No. It's perfectly rational (and 'scientific') to think about where you want to get to as well as where you are now.

 

[Binkie]

I think that's a rather large assumption.

Any form of social engieering striving for utopian ends will be viewed with mistrust by enough of the population to make it unworkable and ultimately oppressive.

I think that's a rather large assumption.