I worry that many on the extreme Left are damaged people full of hate.
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munkeeunit
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8ball said:
As long as it's free
But you'd have to be a bit of a loony masochist to go to a shrink who'd plant things like that in your brain.
Still, as long as Greebozz wears leather, some people might go for it anyway.
nightbreed
Im Bored
Greebozz said:
Yes. Bit of a generalisation. Do you know them all?
I think any extreme people, left or right, are dangerous to others. They spend too much time telling the rest of us how we should live our lives.
Can't see why the hostility towards greebozz. One thing i've always observed here is that if you have the wrong opinion you can get quite seriously verbally attacked. Offence is given out seemingly with joy.
Can't see why the hostility towards greebozz. One thing i've always observed here is that if you have the wrong opinion you can get quite seriously verbally attacked. Offence is given out seemingly with joy.
munkeeunit
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Very Orwellian. I think Greebozz's post is a good example of getting seriously, sweepingly and poisonouly attacked for having the wrong opinion. Interesting how it's easier for many to engage in these attacks, than engage in the adult debate about the economy, on the thread which triggered this.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=161357
This is destined for the bin, surely?
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=161357
This is destined for the bin, surely?
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tbaldwin said:
Some have a guilt complex, but don't stay around for the long run. Others are sincere in their wish to make this a better world.
Some slum it for a while. Others I have know are committed and are not aesthetics. Some are over 50 and their parents are dead.
Eh?
winterinmoscow
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fela fan said:
with you here.
MC5 said:
I agree there are some very commited sincere people from middle class backgrounds. There not usually the ones who put most people off.And lots of people from working class backgrounds can be just as bad at times.
But i think greezboz has a good point.The people in far left groups do put a lot of other people off the idea of Socialism.
The majority of them are opposed to the basics of Socialism...Co-operation for the common good (The only unity most of them want is behind them)
Majority control (Ordinary people,just cant be trusted etc)
It seems hes attracted some predicatabloe vitriol from people scared of what hes saying.
The reason for my post is that I notice that people on the far left always seem to be attacking the mainstream left. I am upset about this because I think it is doing a lot of damage to the overall perception of Labour. And these attacts on Labour have now be come the fashion. And are promoted in the media and culture by people who just follow fashion. Kids may not know much about politics but they sure know that Blair is a liar, or a Tory in disguise.
For example
Tony Blair is exactly the same as Margaret Thatcher. That came from the far Left
There is no difference between Labour and the Tories. That came from the far left
The NHS is being destroyed by Labour due to mismanagement. That came from the far left
Labour are privatizing the NHS. That came for the far left
Blair is Bush's poodle. That came form the far left
I am making the accusation of some on the Left being "damaged" because they can not resist the urge to self destruct Labour even if it means handing victory to the Tories. "but hey that ok because the Labour and the Tories are the same" That is horse shit.
Everyone is entitled to there opinion it is just I am pissed off the huge anti Labour propaganda, without any thought to the consequences, comes from the far Left in huge quantity
There are people on this thread taking the piss out of me, I don't mind that, but I fear it is because in their world, there are no sincere people everyone is cartoon villains out for there own interest. This post is a test, if you can't tell that I am being sincere, then I don't think you can be a sincere person yourself. And that is a big deal to me.
For example
Tony Blair is exactly the same as Margaret Thatcher. That came from the far Left
There is no difference between Labour and the Tories. That came from the far left
The NHS is being destroyed by Labour due to mismanagement. That came from the far left
Labour are privatizing the NHS. That came for the far left
Blair is Bush's poodle. That came form the far left
I am making the accusation of some on the Left being "damaged" because they can not resist the urge to self destruct Labour even if it means handing victory to the Tories. "but hey that ok because the Labour and the Tories are the same" That is horse shit.
Everyone is entitled to there opinion it is just I am pissed off the huge anti Labour propaganda, without any thought to the consequences, comes from the far Left in huge quantity
There are people on this thread taking the piss out of me, I don't mind that, but I fear it is because in their world, there are no sincere people everyone is cartoon villains out for there own interest. This post is a test, if you can't tell that I am being sincere, then I don't think you can be a sincere person yourself. And that is a big deal to me.
winterinmoscow
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obanite
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Er...no. I consider myself a moderate left, and it's quite easy to see just from looking at what they're doing that New Labour is, at the least, center-left, and at the most, center-right.
Compare this with the Tories anxiously attempting to seem more humane... well, in my objective opinion, we are indeed seeing both parties becoming very similar, just like the Democrats and Republican parties in the States.
It's nothing to do with hate, just observation of current affairs...
Compare this with the Tories anxiously attempting to seem more humane... well, in my objective opinion, we are indeed seeing both parties becoming very similar, just like the Democrats and Republican parties in the States.
It's nothing to do with hate, just observation of current affairs...
munkeeunit
sumptuous lushness
I'm sorry Greebozz, but your last post is not a proper set of criticisms.
Many of the criticisms of the labour are correct, you simply don't seem to have taken on board those criticisms.
Saying they are 'horseshit' is simply not good enough.
I accept that many on the left deal mainly in low grade abuse in the absence of a proper analysis. You are doing exactly the same thing.
Barely any of you have engaged in the economic debate and analysis on the thread below, which this thread seems to be a result of.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=161357&page=3
Most of you on both / all sides of the debate seem to be trying to get away with abuse as a substitute for a debate, which would demonstrate and prove a comprehension of the issues.
Many of the criticisms of the labour are correct, you simply don't seem to have taken on board those criticisms.
Saying they are 'horseshit' is simply not good enough.
I accept that many on the left deal mainly in low grade abuse in the absence of a proper analysis. You are doing exactly the same thing.
Barely any of you have engaged in the economic debate and analysis on the thread below, which this thread seems to be a result of.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=161357&page=3
Most of you on both / all sides of the debate seem to be trying to get away with abuse as a substitute for a debate, which would demonstrate and prove a comprehension of the issues.
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Greebozz said:
Well, you've convinced me.
darren redparty
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munkeeunit
sumptuous lushness
darren redparty said:
Not going to try adding to the debate on this thread then? which this thread resulted from.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=161357
It's so much easier for everyone to engage in mudslinging and abuse on all sides of the debate.
munkeeunit
sumptuous lushness
Julie said:*
LOL. Humour and abuse should of course not be confused.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Matt S said:
Very true - and in dagenham people voted for the nutters unfortunately
munkeeunit
sumptuous lushness
Does anyone on either side of the debate have anything to say about the economy? Or is it easier for everyone just to hang out on threads like this measuring others abusiveness with equal abusiveness?
I could do with some company here.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=161357
Does anyone, left, right, or centre know how the economy works, care to comment? I'm sure you *all* prefer to hang out on this cul-de-sac of a thread.
I could do with some company here.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=161357
Does anyone, left, right, or centre know how the economy works, care to comment? I'm sure you *all* prefer to hang out on this cul-de-sac of a thread.
munkeeunit
sumptuous lushness
That's a no then.
I've seen you all in the bottom of the screen watching this.
You *all* deserve each other.
*munkeeunit tries hard not to be abusive*
I've seen you all in the bottom of the screen watching this.
You *all* deserve each other.
*munkeeunit tries hard not to be abusive*
darren redparty said:
Very interesting link about the left attacking the left.
From the Red star 3: december 2004
"isolation
This is both an effect and a cause of trigger-happy polemic. Human beings are social animals and it’s intensely stressful to stand out against majority opinion - and that opinion will favour the status quo. You might think that this would cause the left to band together self-protectively, but it doesn’t work like that. Being powerless to affect any real change in the world, the left turns against itself and takes out its frustration on those nearest to it, as you might kick the cat when your train is delayed. (And I’m sure I’ll get more letters about gratuitous cat-kicking than the state of the left.) The problem is this deepens the isolation. The left is very unattractive and part of its ugliness is its inturned vitriol."
Regarding the comment about the idea that Tories and Labour being the same, is horseshit. I think it is very dangerius thinking to think they are the same, a few months ago the Tories where a minority lobby party for the rich, But in the last few months there are eveyones best friend.
I don't know if they have changed and am open minded but I do know they have a desperation for power.
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