I will still be voting for Ken

[dtb]

can't stand red ken, i'll vote for anyone (even boris) if it means him losing his job as mayor. ken's arrogance is sickening and the amount of our money he's squandered is appalling,

 

[KeyboardJockey]

can't stand red ken, i'll vote for anyone (even boris) if it means him losing his job as mayor. ken's arrogance is sickening and the amount of our money he's squandered is appalling,

Word!!

He's also hell bent on killing small haulage businesses as well. Its the arrogance that does it for me though. A great shame as I was a supporter of Livingstone but he has shifted so far to Nu Labour / Nu Tory that I'd rather risk Boris. Boris might be a positive thing as if he fucks up it might mean more power for the assembly.

 

[8ball]

Boris might also be a good thing in that it would remind a lot of people what happens when you leave a Tory in charge of something.

Or it might if there was any real third alternative.

 

[Crispy]

Bear in mind that the mayoral election is not a 1st-past-the-post election, so voting against is not as much of an issue. Just vote paddick, ken, boris if you don't want ken, but don't want boris either.

 

[sleaterkinney]

I'm voting for Ken, Brian will split the vote and Boris is a buffoon, I really can't understand why people would vote for him.

 

[citydreams]

He's also hell bent on killing small haulage businesses as well. .

How exactly?

 

[Crispy]

How exactly?

Let me guess: Congestion charge and low-emissions zone thingy.

 

[Roadkill]

Tbh all of this silly moralising about Ken Livingstone's drinking habits makes me more likely to go out and vote for him...

 

[citydreams]

can't stand red ken... the amount of our money he's squandered is appalling,

Squandered? You might accuse him of spending money on projects you disagree with, but squandering implies he hasn't given due thought to how he's spending his budget. That's very far from the truth.

 

[8ball]

Tbh all of this silly moralising about Ken Livingstone's drinking habits makes me more likely to go out and vote for him...

Aye, if the tightass puritan crowd hate him that much he can't be all bad.

 

[citydreams]

Let me guess: Congestion charge and low-emissions zone thingy.

*runs off to check model over how many small-haulage businesses are expected to go out of business.*

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Let me guess: Congestion charge and low-emissions zone thingy.

Yup especially the fake low emmisions zone bollocks. Yet more stealth taxes and bugger all to do with the environment.

 

[citydreams]

Yup especially the fake low emmisions zone bollocks. Yet more stealth taxes and bugger all to do with the environment.

how is it a tax? it's a penalty charge.
and how can it have bugger all to do with the environment when it's only about air quality?
have you been sniffing your diesel again?

 

[Belushi]

I'll probably vote Ken, for all his faults (and there are penty of them) I always think he's the only candidate who loves London as much as I do.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

how is it a tax? it's a penalty charge.

Nah its another fucking tax on the little man, the self employed the owner operator. Another tax disgused as a penalty charge. Ken MUST go.

and how can it have bugger all to do with the environment when it's only about air quality?
have you been sniffing your diesel again?

Mmmmm diesel.

Air quality in London is fine however its not near the areas of greatest pollution which is Heathrow but you don't see Livingslime getting all het up about that do you. Much easier to hammer small hauliers than take on larger vested interestes.

Never ever thought I'd ever even consider voting tory or doing anything that might make a tory candidate slip thorugh but a combination of Livingslime and Tax thief Brown is making me consider this.

 

[citydreams]

Nah its another fucking tax on the little man, the self employed the owner operator. Another tax disgused as a penalty charge. Ken MUST go.

Again. How is it a tax? If you have a Euro5 compliant vehicle you're free to come and go as you like.

Air quality in London is fine

you've just lost all credibility. Air quality in London is appalling.

 

[Roadkill]

Spoken like a true Tory, KeyboardJockey...

You do all too often, these days.

 

[citydreams]

its not near the areas of greatest pollution which is Heathrow but you don't see Livingstone getting all het up about that do you. .

er, yes, I do.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Again. How is it a tax? If you have a Euro5 compliant vehicle you're free to come and go as you like.

It costs so much to make a vehicle Euro5 complaint that I know of haulage co's, small ones who are refusing to bring goods into London. Think on that the next time you want someting delivered.

you've just lost all credibility. Air quality in London is appalling.

Nah the only probs I've had with air quality is West London because of heathrow and on the Euston Road where traffic is funnelled because of Livingslimes disasterous congestion charge.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

er, yes, I do.

First I've heard of it.

 

[Xanadu]

First I've heard of it.

If you had, I bet there'd be people bitching about how Ken is just doing it for the publicity.

 

[Xanadu]

Bear in mind that the mayoral election is not a 1st-past-the-post election, so voting against is not as much of an issue. Just vote paddick, ken, boris if you don't want ken, but don't want boris either.

What type of election is it? Where can I find out more info on it?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

What type of election is it? Where can I find out more info on it?

In that case if many people voted Paddick, Boris, Livingstone would that lessen the chances of Livingstone getting in.

What worries me is the outcome of the Assembly election. Might see the prospect of bnp assembly members for the first time if they get through the 5% threshold.

 

[Crispy]

Just read up on it.

You make two votes, and rank them 1st and 2nd.

If no candidate gets more than 50% of the vote (even if there's still a clear winner) then the 2nd votes get given to the top two candidates as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplementary_Vote

Basically, it means that if boris wins with less than 50% of the vote, his opponent's secondary votes get added up. Seeing as it's likely that paddick voters would have ken as their secondary vote, and vice versa, this would make it harder for boris to win.

If any candidate gets more than 50% in the first round, then it's an instant win.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Air quality in London is fine however its not near the areas of greatest pollution which is Heathrow but you don't see Livingslime getting all het up about that do you. .

Really? It used to be Deptford. Has that changed because Deptford has got better or Heathrow worse? I hope the former as Deptford, conincidentally, also had a shockingly high incidence of childhood asthma.

 

[Belushi]

Really? It used to be Deptford. Has that changed because Deptford has got better or Heathrow worse? I hope the former as Deptford, conincidentally, also had a shockingly high incidence of childhood asthma.

Deptford/New Cross area has always had terrible pollution ime.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Deptford/New Cross area has always had terrible pollution ime.

Yeah - main road from North Kent and Dover plus being in a dip.

 

[Xanadu]

Just read up on it.

You make two votes, and rank them 1st and 2nd.

If no candidate gets more than 50% of the vote (even if there's still a clear winner) then the 2nd votes get given to the top two candidates as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplementary_Vote

Basically, it means that if boris wins with less than 50% of the vote, his opponent's secondary votes get added up. Seeing as it's likely that paddick voters would have ken as their secondary vote, and vice versa, this would make it harder for boris to win.

If any candidate gets more than 50% in the first round, then it's an instant win.

Cool, cheers for the info.

 

[citydreams]

It costs so much to make a vehicle Euro5 complaint that I know of haulage co's, small ones who are refusing to bring goods into London..

Good! The initial LEZ restrictions are hardly onerous. Basically, if your vehicle is less than 8 years old you're fine. Any more than 8 years old and you'll need to spend around £3000 to convert it. Or finally get round to buying/leasing a new one that's going to save you money on mpg anyway.

Nah the only probs I've had with air quality is West London because of heathrow and on the Euston Road where traffic is funnelled because of Livingstone's.. ..congestion charge.

Still showing how little you know about air quality then. Why should congestion charge change the air quality on Euston Road?

I sugest you have a look at http://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/publicepisodes.asp
before you make yourself sound anymore ridiculous.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Good! The initial LEZ restrictions are hardly onerous. Basically, if your vehicle is less than 8 years old you're fine. Any more than 8 years old and you'll need to spend around £3000 to convert it. Or finally get round to buying/leasing a new one that's going to save you money on mpg anyway.

Margins are so small now for owner operators that £3k does make the difference between profit and loss. Where are under pressure owner operators going to find the money for new vehilces? I don't see any form of grant scheme just more taxation.

Still showing how little you know about air quality then. Why should congestion charge change the air quality on Euston Road?

I sugest you have a look at http://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/publicepisodes.asp
before you make yourself sound anymore ridiculous.

The Euston road is taking a whole load of traffic that would have in more sensible times have travelled through the city therefore making it a whole lot worse. Checked that site and it still looks bad at the Baker Street area which is taking the traffic that propbably would have travelled down the Embankment as well as the rest of the Euston Road / Marylebone road traffic.