I Was Born There, So it's my Home

[FabricLiveBaby!]

I was born in this country but it's never felt like home.

 

[maomao]

Err... any border controls of a country are suggesting that one set of humans who were born in one place are lesser in comparison to the set of humans who are born in the country in question.

What on earth does that have to do with what I actually said? There are hundreds of thousands of people, like my flatmate, who were not born here but hold UK passports. Are you suggesting that she should have less rights than me?

 

[Gmart]

What on earth does that have to do with what I actually said? There are hundreds of thousands of people, like my flatmate, who were not born here but hold UK passports. Are you suggesting that she should have less rights than me?

Why does she have a UK passport? I presume her parents aren't British (coz I answered that query above), so maybe she went thru the application process, which is fine - i am not interested in stating who shouldn't have citizenship - i am more interested in the principle that if you are born in a country you have the right to citizenship in that country.

 

[CyberRose]

So...Israeli settlers' kids [in the West Bank] should be accepted as Palestinian citizens [if a Palestinian state were founded]?

Probably straying off topic but hey ho...

I think instead of dismantling the settlements (if that proves too difficult to do politically) they should keep them standing but have them incorporated into Palestine under a Palestinian government and laws, so yes, they would (if they chose to stay) become Palestinian citizens

 

[mentalchik]

I know it's a sad truth - of course there are many who work very hard so it is not the whole story - but the sad fact is that the immigrants not only do the jobs which the 'indigenous' population refuse to do, but they also work a lot harder often for less money.

Of course, as I said, this has something to do with the cost of living being so high in the UK and the ability of immigrants to build up a pension so much more easily, but I don't blame the employers preferring to hire foreign workers if their experience is that the indigenous Brits don't work so hard.

This is the sad conclusion for all unskilled workers - the market supply of unskilled workers is so high that they are routinely abused by the employers. Which is why the government needs to help people to become as skilled as possible, thru Adult Education, and to ensure that the abuses are limited to the non-violent while giving as much opportunity to succeed as possible.

 

[weltweit]

Hmm, the born in argument does not actually hold very well..

I was born in Germany, but I am not German. I took my nationality from the nationality of my parents who were English and Scottish. Therefore I am British.

My kid, who was born in UK, takes his nationality from his parents, one (me) is half English half Scottish and one who is half Spanish half Catalan. Kid therefore has dual nationality British and Spanish. Kid is a proper European.

 

[Jonti]

Except maybe the ambassador, given that an embassy remains the soil of the country it represents.

Ships and planes, too I believe.

I wonder, if a woman gave birth on a USA flagged ship, or aeroplane, would that child be considered an american citizen?

 

[marty21]

I was born here, but my parents were not, so they would be forced to repatriate under gmarthews new world order, ain't going to happen, his argument is more full of holes than jack mchole of hole city, holeland

 

[butchersapron]

Who wasn't even born there.

 

[spring-peeper]

I was born in England, but hell would have to freeze over before I'd move back!!!

Shortly after the Americans deported a Canadian citizen back to their country of birth, my daughter was terrified to fly through the States in case deported her to England. I tried to explain the the Americans wouldn't bother her because a) she was white and b) she was born in Canada. This didn't calm her fears though, she spent an extra day in a European airport rather than fly through the States.

 

[Gmart]

This is more an argument against those countries who do not give automatic citizenship to those who are born in their country, as I have made clear.

 

[Gmart]

If people have adopted a different nationality either thru the official channels in the past or thru their parents then fine - why would that be a problem?

 

[marty21]

If people have adopted a different nationality either thru the official channels in the past or thru their parents then fine - why would that be a problem?

so you don't have to be born in a country to have citizenship, make up your fucking mind

 

[Dr. Furface]

Space is the place

 

[Corax]

In an unequal world of rich and poor countries, it is necessary to have controls on borders.

So that the inequality can be maintained. Nice.

The poor section of the UK doesn't work very hard but the poor of the rest of the world does and the accusation of rascism keeps most people quiet.

What facile, inaccurate drivel. Where's your evidence Frodo?

Of course a pound in the UK doesn't go as far as a pound in Africa, so it is not surprising that the poor move to the rich countries and work hard for a few years, living 11 to a house, to build up a pension. But the government in the UK and other countries seems to have a policy of accepting this and going round the rest of the world taking qualified people from there while letting its education system sink in a sea of dumbed down qualifications and students paid (or forced) to be there.

What a mess! - Thus the BNP or any party suggesting that 'they' should be sent home.

But if they were born in that country then they are already home.

So the indigenous population should mean being born there - (and that includes Israel too!!)

This is just incoherent bollocks.


Wow. You're a narrow-minded gullible fash fuckwit when it comes to politics as well as linguistics.

 

[Jonti]

Are you nursing a sore head this morning, Corax?

 

[Corax]

I know it's a sad truth - of course there are many who work very hard so it is not the whole story - but the sad fact is that the immigrants not only do the jobs which the 'indigenous' population refuse to do, but they also work a lot harder often for less money.

Again, where's your evidence Frodo? And no, Express and Mail editorials are not a valid source.

 

[Corax]

Are you nursing a sore head this morning, Corax?

Nope. Happy as pie me. Frodo's just a moron.

 

[CyberRose]

If you weren't born in Yorkshire it's a scientific fact that you are genetically/biologically inferior

 

[marty21]

If you weren't born in Yorkshire it's a scientific fact that you are genetically/biologically inferior

we should repatriate all yorkies back to yorkshire

 

[weltweit]

Am I the only one who does not get the point of this thread?

 

[marty21]

Am I the only one who does not get the point of this thread?

soz, misread comment at self

 

[Idris2002]

I was born in Australia but it aint my home - in fact I can hardly remember the place.

I was born in Worthing, and still feel a pang of nostalgia whenever I encounter a handbag.

 

[CyberRose]

Am I the only one who does not get the point of this thread?

I think the point of this thread was in response to Nick Griffin and his "indigenous" people comments on QT. The OP is saying that anyone born in a country should be considered a citizen of that country. And being born/not born somewhere should be the benchmark for acceptance(?), not the ability to trace your ancestral roots to a given place and point in time.

Obviously Nick Griffin shoots himself in the foot with his ice age comments (ie people that moved here after the ice age finished are classed as "indigenous") because everyone knows that the ancestors of people from Yorkshire were here before the ice age, cos we're hard and wouldn't let a bit of cold put us off living somewhere (Geordies were also here before the ice age, but not because they're hard as well but because they're a bit dim)

 

[Corax]

I think the point of this thread was in response to Nick Griffin and his "indigenous" people comments on QT. The OP is saying that anyone born in a country should be considered a citizen of that country. And being born/not born somewhere should be the benchmark for acceptance(?), not the ability to trace your ancestral roots to a given place and point in time.

You missed out the bit where he regurgitates his daily mail prejudices against the WWC.

 

[Spion]

Are you nursing a sore head this morning, Corax?

He's always like this. I think it's the Quaker way

 

[Belushi]

I was born in Worthing, and still feel a pang of nostalgia whenever I encounter a handbag.

 

[CyberRose]

You missed out the bit where he regurgitates his daily mail prejudices against the WWC.

Yes true. The OP also claimed that the poor people of this country don't work as hard as the cheap immigrants, which is obviously bollocks cos the poor people in this country don't even bother to work they just sign on the dole or have 10 kids

 

[Corax]

He's always like this. I think it's the Quaker way

Physical pacifist. Not necessarily a verbal one.

"When good people do nothing" etc.

 

[Jonti]

I thought the Quakers took up pacifism 'cos they wuz always getting creamed when they tried to ruck?