I want your cash

[scifisam]

I decided I didn't want to be a wage slave any more and was in a position to do something about it. I can't toss cash about or I will have to work again and the idea is not to.
We wanted a maid to help us out in the house. Bugger all point in spending the cash on here education and still having to do the work myself.
The problem with some posters here is that all they do is talk about heping but sit on their arses and so sod all.
I may have chosen the life I lead but that;s up to me as your life is up to you but at least I do go out there and help others instead of typing shit about how much they can do and using the cash to get pissed.

But how is that different to anyone on here? You accuse them of sitting on their arses, yet you refuse to do your own housework or look after your own kid and refuse to go to work.

The only difference is that you know this girl personally and are certain that your money would actually help her. For everyone else on here, you're a stranger on the internet asking for money.

An awful lot of people on here do stuff to help others in need, and a lot are very poor, but you seem to think you're the only one who's helping others or who is short of cash - while boasting about what a lovely house and lifestyle you have.

 

[derf]

But how is that different to anyone on here? You accuse them of sitting on their arses, yet you refuse to do your own housework or look after your own kid and refuse to go to work.

The only difference is that you know this girl personally and are certain that your money would actually help her. For everyone else on here, you're a stranger on the internet asking for money.

An awful lot of people on here do stuff to help others in need, and a lot are very poor, but you seem to think you're the only one who's helping others or who is short of cash - while boasting about what a lovely house and lifestyle you have.

I don't refuse to work. I do work part time but for free to help others.
I can afford a maid to do the housework. Hard luck if you can't.
I do look after my own kid most of the time but it's really handy having a maid from time to time.
My house is very nice and my lifestyle is pretty much as I like it thanks. Hard shit if you want the same but never got it.
I don't assume I'm the only one who helps others here but I do object to the lefty spouters who do fuck all except open their gobs.

I wanted posters to think about the situation here. Some did and some used their mouths but not their brains.

 

[scifisam]

Right, I was about to type a proper response to that post, then decided I can't be arsed.

So much 'look at me, living such a great lifestyle because I moved to a country where people are poorer financially,' plus 'anyone who disagrees with me is obviously doing nothing to help others,' with a side-order of 'you're poorer than me, nyer nyer!'

And all this when you're actually not even trying to look like a total bastard! It just comes naturally!

 

[Jessiedog]

I can afford a maid to do the housework. Hard luck if you can't.

At GBP12:00 per month for a full-time, live-in servant - aged 13.





Woof

 

[Aldebaran]

I don't refuse to work. I do work part time but for free to help others.
I can afford a maid to do the housework. Hard luck if you can't.

I can. More than one, actually, but they are paid normal decent wages and I don't employ children. Let alone I would do that, then post on a message board about it and while I'm at it tell others they must feel guilty if they don't send me money because that girl actually should be going to school.

If you are that involved with her, send her to school and employ an adult. End of story.

salaam.

 

[lights.out.london]

I live in a rather nice two story house I had built in a small village.
We have a TV and satellite dish along with computer radio, Hi fi and so on.
Her duties include cleaning the place, looking after the baby when we are busy and serving guests that visit us.
It's the norm here for richer families to have a servant.
Many here do live in huts with no windows and dirt floors as the maid did.

Mate. Do you ever ever re-read your posts?

A servant? A servant! Fucks sake...

Pay her a decent wage and let her buy her own education. Jesus wept at the brass neck of it all.

 

[derf]

Mate. Do you ever ever re-read your posts?

A servant? A servant! Fucks sake...

Pay her a decent wage and let her buy her own education. Jesus wept at the brass neck of it all.

I did have a nice house built. I'll post a picture or two if you like.
We have two bathrooms, 2 toilets, 3 living rooms and 3 bedrooms. Some of the banana trees in the front garden are looking a bit rough. Must do something about that.
What else would you call a maid? A servant is as good a word as any and in common use here. Maybe that's not PC enough for you.
That's another nice thing about this place no bugger gives a shit about wording things so as not to upset anyone. We still have blackboards in schools and they have a local name for white guys as well but I don't get offended as I know that they are just using a descriptive word not having a go at me.
The wage is fine by local standards and maybe a bit over the top.
The same as many teachers and free food with a clean place to sleep.
Better than many of the working blokes here get. Get to grips with local standards before having a pop at me.
That or you could sit in front of your computers having a go in the sure knowledge that you are right by your own narrow standards that work well in the UK but have sod all to do with this place.
i wonder who the twat really is.
Me for employing a girl who would otherwise work silly hours for much less money or some of you for spouting and knowing fuck all.

 

[scifisam]

i wonder who the twat really is.
Me for employing a girl who would otherwise work silly hours for much less money or some of you for spouting and knowing fuck all.

Personally, I don't think you're a twat for employing the girl.

What makes me think you're a twat is you boasting about your wonderful lifestyle and asking strangers to give money you won't give yourself.

'I have a better lifestyle than you because I live in a country which is less cash-rich than my home country. I can afford a big house with trees and lots of rooms and everything - would you like to see pictures? And a servant! Now, send me your money!'

 

[derf]

Personally, I don't think you're a twat for employing the girl.

What makes me think you're a twat is you boasting about your wonderful lifestyle and asking strangers to give money you won't give yourself.

'I have a better lifestyle than you because I live in a country which is less cash-rich than my home country. I can afford a big house with trees and lots of rooms and everything - would you like to see pictures? And a servant! Now, send me your money!'

Ok I'll sack her and send her home tonight.
She will go back to sleeping on a simple mattress on a dirt floor.
She will either go to work for someone else at less money and poorer working conditions or work in the family field in the day and make crackers at night.
She will earn less and end up married off so that the family don't have to pay for her keep.
The first one we were going to employ didn't come as she was forced in marriage at 15 for the same reasons.

Will that make you happy?

Sleep well.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Ok I'll sack her and send her home tonight.
She will go back to sleeping on a simple mattress on a dirt floor.
She will either go to work for someone else at less money and poorer working conditions or work in the family field in the day and make crackers at night.
She will earn less and end up married off so that the family don't have to pay for her keep.
The first one we were going to employ didn't come as she was forced in marriage at 15 for the same reasons.

Will that make you happy?

Sleep well.

Why be so hostile?

Can you not appreciate how dodgy and boastful you seem from the perspective of someone who doesn't know you or the girl who's reading this on the other side of the globe? You're trolling for hostile reactions and then acting all hostile when you get them. And your point is...?

Look, seriously, no one on a random internet forum is going to send cash to someone who could in reality be sitting in an internet cafe in Nigeria.

The best thing you can do, as I mentioned before, is get in touch with a charity like Plan International and see if they can enrol the girl in their programmes to fund her education.

 

[scifisam]

Ok I'll sack her and send her home tonight.
She will go back to sleeping on a simple mattress on a dirt floor.
She will either go to work for someone else at less money and poorer working conditions or work in the family field in the day and make crackers at night.
She will earn less and end up married off so that the family don't have to pay for her keep.
The first one we were going to employ didn't come as she was forced in marriage at 15 for the same reasons.

Will that make you happy?

Sleep well.

I think you must have missed my first sentence, where I said I don't think you're a twat for employing this girl.

 

[derf]

I think you must have missed my first sentence, where I said I don't think you're a twat for employing this girl.

Sorry I did.

 

[derf]

Why be so hostile?

Can you not appreciate how dodgy and boastful you seem from the perspective of someone who doesn't know you or the girl who's reading this on the other side of the globe? You're trolling for hostile reactions and then acting all hostile when you get them. And your point is...?

Look, seriously, no one on a random internet forum is going to send cash to someone who could in reality be sitting in an internet cafe in Nigeria.

The best thing you can do, as I mentioned before, is get in touch with a charity like Plan International and see if they can enrol the girl in their programmes to fund her education.

I know of no charities operating in this area. If you do I would happily send her to school as I know that's the best thing but at the moment there is no real option.
I am a twat but not for the reasons you think.

 

[paolo]

Just for context, how many hours per week would she be working? And following that, how would it fit with education, e.g. time to do homework etc?

 

[Fez909]

Derf: I know you're dying to tell us what this other trait/skill/whatever is that makes you "a twat" or a "proper dodgy bastard" but not for the reasons we think. So come on, what else are you about to 'admit'?

 

[kerb]

The first one we were going to employ

you see its phrases like that, that worry me. By this description it shows that you look down at the people you employ. And perhaps im nitpicking and you used that phrase out of ease when categorising. But i doubt it from the tone of your voice and the use of your words in this thread.

But fuck it. Its the third world. Without me she'd be sleeping on a mat .

And listen to your throw away attitude.

Ok I'll sack her and send her home tonight.

I hope you treat her better than you describe her

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I know of no charities operating in this area. If you do I would happily send her to school as I know that's the best thing but at the moment there is no real option.
I am a twat but not for the reasons you think.

So why don't you contact that charity Plan International and inform them that there's a desperate need in your area? Just because they might not be operating there at the moment, doesn't mean that they won't if a need is identified to them...

And if they can't/won't then there are other charities that do similar sponsor a child things, you could probably find them by Googling. Doing something constructive like that is better use of your internet time than bitching about people here. Do you actually want to do something to help the child? Or just bitch about people who can't/won't help?

Or why not email your friends and family back home, see if anyone there wants to 'sponsor' this girl and pay for her education? You're more likely to get a positive response from people who actually know you and can vouch for you not being some dodgy bloke in an internet cafe in Nigeria.

 

[George & Bill]

Employing a 13-year-old maid to work for you when you don't even work yourself at the age of 45, and claiming that doing so rather than doing your own washing up, instead using the money to send her to school, is bad enough.

Raping a child on a daily basis before pouring acid in its eyes is worse.

 

[derf]

Just for context, how many hours per week would she be working? And following that, how would it fit with education, e.g. time to do homework etc?

Working hour are never the same day to day but with cleaning, ironing and looking after Michelle I would guess 4 or 5 hours a day max on a busy day and less when there is little to do.
She now goes to a free school two days a week for a few hours each time but has to do embroidery to help pay for that.
The teachers sell the work in the market to cover their time in school.
You have to remember that some of the teachers are also on Rp200,00 a month so they can't do it for free.
The rest of her time is free. She will pop out to friends houses or just sit and watch TV.

 

[derf]

Derf: I know you're dying to tell us what this other trait/skill/whatever is that makes you "a twat" or a "proper dodgy bastard" but not for the reasons we think. So come on, what else are you about to 'admit'?

I was a total bastard when I was young. A pissed up biker with the morals of an ally cat but would feel a little less guilty about it than most moggies.
I never really forgave myself for the things that I did.

 

[derf]

you see its phrases like that, that worry me. By this description it shows that you look down at the people you employ.

I hope you treat her better than you describe her

She's a servant but that in no way suggests that I don't treat her well.
As it goes her conditions are far better than most employees here. I know of no others that are given a TV in their room or such easy work for that kind of money.
Anyway her family are poor but she's not stupid. She using the wages to buy a breeding pair of goats.
When the kids grow up she'll get a million a shot for them.
If she uses her head shes going to end up well off by the time she gets married so her kids will have the chances that she has missed.

 

[derf]

Employing a 13-year-old maid to work for you when you don't even work yourself at the age of 45, and claiming that doing so rather than doing your own washing up, instead using the money to send her to school, is bad enough.

Raping a child on a daily basis before pouring acid in its eyes is worse.

I'm 46 now and I don't refuse to work. I retired.

What the fuck do I care for idiots like you with stupid attempts to make it sound like she's some sort of sex object or suggesting that employing someone is equal to the very nasty crime of rape.

That is most likely the most stupid comment I have ever heard or seen written down anywhere.
Ye gods I thought I spoke shit but you have me beaten hands down with that bollocks.

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm 46 now and I don't refuse to work. I retired.

What the fuck do I care for idiots like you with stupid attempts to make it sound like she's some sort of sex object or suggesting that employing someone is equal to the very nasty crime of rape.

That is most likely the most stupid comment I have ever heard or seen written down anywhere.
Ye gods I thought I spoke shit but you have me beaten hands down with that bollocks.

Mate, I wouldn't feel it morally right to employ a girl of that age. Call me a reactionary fuck, but I tend to believe that you shouldn't employ an under sixteen. Regardless of local culture.

 

[Termite Man]

Which part of indonesia are you in ! One of the blokes I work with is Indonesian and came from a very poor family , it just sounds like the picture your painting of the indonesian system is not the same as what I've about it from him !

 

[Termite Man]

In Indonesia, every citizen has to have nine years of education, six years at elementary level and three in middle school.
From birth until the age of 5, Indonesian children do not generally have access to formal education. From the age of 5 to 6 or 7, they attend kindergarten (Taman Kanak-kanak). This education is not compulsory for Indonesian citizens, as the aim of this is to prepare them for primary school. The majority of kindergartens are private schools, with more than forty-nine thousand kindergartens, 99.35% of the total kindergartens in Indonesia, privately operated[1]. The kindergarten years are usually divided into "Class A" and "Class B" students spending a year in each class.
Children ages 7-12 attend Sekolah Dasar (SD) (literally Elementary School). This level of education is compulsory for all Indonesian citizens, based on the national constitution. In contrast to the majority of privately run kindergartens, most elementary schools are government operated public schools, accounting for 93% of all elementary schools in Indonesia[2]. Similar to education systems in the U.S. and Australia, students must study for six years to complete this level. Some schools offer an accelerated learning program, where students who perform well can finish elementary school in five years.
Middle School, generally known by the abbreviation "SMP" (Sekolah Menengah Pertama) is part of primary education in Indonesia. After graduating from elementary school, students attend Middle School for three years from the age of 13-15. After three years of schooling and graduation, students may move on to High School or College, or cease formal education. There are around 22,000 schools in Indonesia with a balanced ownership between public and private sector[3

so the compulsory 9 years of education indonesian kids get is from the ages 7-15

I'm off to look for more evidence which backs this source up now !

 

[Termite Man]

Compulsory Education: Presidential Instruction Decree No. 10 of 1973, initiated Indonesia's program of compulsory education and by 1984 the government of Indonesia had fully implemented the six year compulsory education for primary school age children (7-12 years). The result of this new policy was significant in that the participation rate in primary school reached 92 percent in 1993 compared to 79 percent just 10 years earlier.

Ten years after the compulsory primary education program came fully into effect, Indonesia launched the Nine Year Basic Education Program, as proclaimed by President Suharto on 2 May 1994, extending compulsory education to the 13- to 15-year-old population. The compulsory nine-year basic education affords opportunities for Indonesian citizens to get an education. The extension from six years to nine years of basic education was also intended to alleviate the problem of child labor.


Age Limits: According to the National Education Law No. 2/1989 and the Government Regulation No. 28/1990, basic education is a general education program with a duration of nine years—six years of primary education and three years of junior secondary education. The nine-year Compulsory Basic Education Program attempts to provide an education for every Indonesian in the 7 to 15 age group.

Theres some more evidence about the school leaving age there !

 

[Termite Man]

(You have to pay here after 13).

do you ?

 

[Termite Man]

If the compulsory age of education in indonesia is 15 are we to believe that Indonesians have to pay for the last 2 years of their compulsory education and not the previous 7 years and if this isn't the case the actual cost of educating her to 18 would be more like £600 ( based on your £1000 for 5 years of education calculation ) so could you not pay for her education while she does work for you part time to pay off the money you have provided for her untill she can get a better job and not have to rely on you to provide well paid work in the area because she will have the skills to find decent employment for herself .

 

[Aldebaran]

Maybe derf only thinks she is 13 while she is 23.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

I did have a nice house built. I'll post a picture or two if you like.
We have two bathrooms, 2 toilets, 3 living rooms and 3 bedrooms. Some of the banana trees in the front garden are looking a bit rough. Must do something about that.

Oh please... You can't "afford" a ridiculously little amount to send a kid to school but you are retired at 45, emigrated to an other country, bought land and build a house etc... ? Who are you trying to fool here.

And then this

Ok I'll sack her and send her home tonight.
She will go back to sleeping on a simple mattress on a dirt floor.
She will either go to work for someone else at less money and poorer working conditions or work in the family field in the day and make crackers at night.
She will earn less and end up married off so that the family don't have to pay for her keep.
The first one we were going to employ didn't come as she was forced in marriage at 15 for the same reasons.

Will that make you happy?

Sleep well.

Looks to me you feel wonderful in your "position of power over someone's life".

I would wish the girl -if she exists in reality- reads this and gives you a good spitting in the face after which she tells you that you can do your cleaning, babysitting and serving guests yourself. Really. Looks to me you never had anything to say anywhere and now you feel glorious because you employ someone. Seriously, grow up. I don't believe you are 45.

salaam.