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"I took explosives on to underground but didn't mean to kill anyone"

energy said:
So says the terrorist imprisoned in Italy.

He also claims to be a pacifist -- he "only wanted to scare people."

So says C4 news.

He must have a fairly low opinion of us, if he expects us to believe this.

I supposed he'll claim the explosives not blowing up was intensional. :rolleyes:
It's possible. It will be up to a jury to decide when they have seen all the evidence and heard both sides of the case.

A comment to those saying "shoot him" etc: this guy hasn't even actualy killed someone - far less than a fair number of IRA people who still haven't faced trial for the murders they committed.

Surely he should only get the same sentence as anyone else who has done a similar crime? He can't be tried for the 7/7 bombings or any other attacks that have happened elsewhere, only for what he actually did himself. Presumably "attempted murder"?
 
TeeJay said:
He can't be tried for the 7/7 bombings or any other attacks that have happened elsewhere, only for what he actually did himself. Presumably "attempted murder"?

Attempted murder? Possession of explosives with intent to endanger life? Conspiracy to cause explosions? Conspiracy to commit murder? Membership of a proscribed organisation (if they can prove it)? Various charges associated with obtaining the explosives? Doubtless various terrorist offences. There're enough there to sentence him to life several times over if he's found guilty.
 
Life imprisonment

Thats about 20 years isn't it?

Arm the police, being the only unarmed force in Europe is a joke

Fight the terrorists....erm, with large sticks
 
Rocket Romano said:
Life imprisonment

Thats about 20 years isn't it?

Life in this case I should think. I very much doubt this lot will ever be realeased.

Arm the police, being the only unarmed force in Europe is a joke

Fight the terrorists....erm, with large sticks

Having all the armed police around didn't stop the July 21st attacks, did it? Nor did the armed police in Madrid, New York, etc. Be realistic.
 
Nemo said:
Life in this case I should think. I very much doubt this lot will ever be realeased.

Having all the armed police around didn't stop the July 21st attacks, did it? Nor did the armed police in Madrid, New York, etc. Be realistic.


Well, lets arm them for the rest of the freaks out there, more so in London.

I think they should be released. Into the general wing, where the wardens should turn their back .
 
Rocket Romano said:
Life imprisonment

Thats about 20 years isn't it?

Arm the police, being the only unarmed force in Europe is a joke

Fight the terrorists....erm, with large sticks
How many times in the last few years (outside of NI) has a police officer randomly come across a terrorist? How many times has an attack not been stopped purely because a police officer hasn't been armed?
 
Rocket Romano said:
Well, lets arm them for the rest of the freaks out there, more so in London.

What? You think they should be killing more Brazillian electricians. Tell me, how many actual terrorists have been shot by the police recently?

I think they should be released. Into the general wing, where the wardens should turn their back .

Now you're just being silly. You're telling me that people who were prepared to undertake 'martyrdom operations' should be, er... given a chance at 'martyrdom.'
 
Arming all the police to prevent terror attacks is stupid, the odds of it preventing an attack are tiny. If you want to arm coppers in general try arguing it with a good example :p
 
Nemo said:
None. Do you have any?
Shall we see what the average sentence for attempted murder by NI terrorists was then? I could go and look now, but I want to make sure we are agreed about what I should be looking for.
 
TeeJay said:
Shall we see what the average sentence for attempted murder by NI terrorists was then? I could go and look now, but I want to make sure we are agreed about what I should be looking for.

Bombers whose release isn't part of a peace agreement? I doubt you'll find (m)any.
 
TeeJay said:
Average time served for a life sentence = 15 years
Yup, many people are allowed out on licence. If it's a life sentence, they then remain on licence for the rest of their lives - unless they step out of line, in which case they are put back into prison. It doesn't take much to get your licence revoked.

Not everyone is allowed out. Some people die in prison - or Broadmoor/Rampton-type 'hospitals' - because the parole board is never convinced that they are safe to let out and/or because the courts (or, until recently, the Home Sec) want to make an example of them.

Assuming the would-be bombers are sentenced to life, they will be very lucky ever to get out.

In any case, the important thing from my POV is not that the would-be bombers never get out, but that they are tucked up in prison for a very long time (20 years+?) and only ever get out if it is very clear they are no longer dangerous.
 
Nemo said:
Now you're just being silly. You're telling me that people who were prepared to undertake 'martyrdom operations' should be, er... given a chance at 'martyrdom.'

Did I say kill them? That would be easy, just hurt them

Being soft and understanding, like that wanker of a mayor in London won't help

Allowing rallies promoting and demanding a radical muslim government in the muslim world to take place in London is a joke
 
omg, someone who is more nieve than me!

"When they asked me to plant explosives, they promised that they wouldn't explode."

<shakes head in disbelief>

I wonder if he's thinking. "That was not very nice of them. Next time I try to help them, I'll ask for those toy explosives like I see at the toy shop."
 
Rocket Romano said:
Being soft and understanding, like that wanker of a mayor in London won't help

Yeah, because being hard and unyielding has worked so well thus far. :rolleyes:

Allowing rallies promoting and demanding a radical muslim government in the muslim world to take place in London is a joke

So you're saying that legal organisations, however odious, shouldn't have the right of freedom of speech and assembly. My, how nice it would be if I could trust the powers that be as much as you do.
 
Nemo said:
Yeah, because being hard and unyielding has worked so well thus far. :rolleyes:

He certainly wouldn't know, he hasn't tried it yet. Odious PR PC loving wanker. Please can I come back in Mr Blair, I'll lick Cherie out for you

So you're saying that legal organisations, however odious, shouldn't have the right of freedom of speech and assembly. My, how nice it would be if I could trust the powers that be as much as you do.


If this was the far right or the far left demonstrating there'd be a huge thread whining about it, but there's not, so it MUST be freedom of speech
 
Rocket Romano said:
He certainly wouldn't know, he hasn't tried it yet. Odious PR PC loving wanker. Please can I come back in Mr Blair, I'll lick Cherie out for you

I didn't mean Ken Livingstone, I meant the west's posture towards Islam in general. Anyway, what do you object to about what Livinstone has been saying? Do you think that London shouldn't welcome people with open arms?

If this was the far right or the far left demonstrating there'd be a huge thread whining about it, but there's not, so it MUST be freedom of speech

Doesn't freedom of speech include being able to say things that people don't want to hear?
 
Here's a question. Which is the problem that we can solve, jihadi doctrine existing or someone who listens to it deciding to become a suicide bomber?
 
Rocket Romano said:
Please can I come back in Mr Blair, I'll lick Cherie out for you
I sympathise with your obvious anger and hatred of Islamonut bombers and their ideologues, but that comment is a bit bonkers. Who is it supposed to be about?
 
Bernie Gunther said:
Here's a question. Which is the problem that we can solve, jihadi doctrine existing or someone who listens to it deciding to become a suicide bomber?

Neither. Although more can be done about the latter than the former.

JHE said:
I sympathise with your obvious anger and hatred of Islamonut bombers and their ideologues, but that comment is a bit bonkers. Who is it supposed to be about?

Ken Livingstone I think.
 
HarrisonSlade said:
Yeah I guess. But, if you have come this far and your destiny was to blow yourself to smithereens, but you failed, then surely it would be a much more worthy thing to do for your cause to say that you went out to kill these people for your beliefs, and go to prison a martyr with conviction. The wriggling out of it that this guy looks like he is doing doesn't look like the actions of a man who was brave enough to commit suicide for his cause.

Why is commiting suicide such a brave thing to do?

It can be, but not automatically.
 
Re. Livingstone:

He went out of his way to welcome and embrace Qaradawi and lied about Qaradawi's views to make the old Islamist seem less appalling than he is.

(See the briefing on Outrage's site, complete with links to Qaradawi's fatwas on Islam Online.)
 
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