butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Don't need a revolution to spot one ..oh there's another..come bring the news when you get finally PR and rights for whites...
I think I'm back in the Lib Dems.... I think
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'm in the lib-dems - look at what i've achived!!
What exactly?
What exactly?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's different now i'm in the lib dems, it's more real.
Shevek I think you are doing the right thing, sadly one has to be realistic about what the majority of people think in this country. The ideologically pure like to remain so, and condemn everything but do nothing. They like the safety of the idea.
Meanwhile people who are pragmatic about politics realize it's about compromise, you can have less authoritarian structures that we hope in time will blossom into a freerer society. Most people who call themselves Anarchists today are middle-class students detached from any real community, of course there are exceptions and good people among the ideology, but largely they are a political fringe. There are plenty of people who are anarchists who don’t ascribe that label to themselves simply because it’s negative connotations are so strong. I think that’s sensible to be honest, unless you have the time and understanding to explain to someone that anarchism does not equate to chaos, ( maybe it does but to prevent the greater chaos that an unreasonable imposition of authority results in.)
If you want to isolate yourself on the political fringes then go around calling yourself an anarchist, otherwise roll yourselves up, put on a nose peg and start getting involved where the political fault line is. Obviously you can communicate and engage with people who have careers, are educated etc so go for a job with the Lib Dems and try and do that.
The reason you are posting is that you wish that those that proclaim themselves as ideological demagogues of anarchism to understanding your pragmatism, but you don’t need their approval, after all they are probably as bad as any priest.
Meanwhile people who are pragmatic about politics realize it's about compromise, you can have less authoritarian structures that we hope in time will blossom into a freerer society. Most people who call themselves Anarchists today are middle-class students detached from any real community, of course there are exceptions and good people among the ideology, but largely they are a political fringe. There are plenty of people who are anarchists who don’t ascribe that label to themselves simply because it’s negative connotations are so strong. I think that’s sensible to be honest, unless you have the time and understanding to explain to someone that anarchism does not equate to chaos, ( maybe it does but to prevent the greater chaos that an unreasonable imposition of authority results in.)
If you want to isolate yourself on the political fringes then go around calling yourself an anarchist, otherwise roll yourselves up, put on a nose peg and start getting involved where the political fault line is. Obviously you can communicate and engage with people who have careers, are educated etc so go for a job with the Lib Dems and try and do that.
The reason you are posting is that you wish that those that proclaim themselves as ideological demagogues of anarchism to understanding your pragmatism, but you don’t need their approval, after all they are probably as bad as any priest.
God your bitter
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Answer the question, what has your turn to realism achieved? Given that you made that the key point of your decison and what you're berating others here for not being able to achieve.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
JimW
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Sensible and serious people do that after the dust has died down in the light of the balance of forces, not before they've even begun; unless of course they belong to some sort of opportunistic prop of the status quo engaged in grubby rent-seeking rather than any committed attempt to improve people's lives.
The tide of human filth? Listen to yourself you sound psychopathic.
I would argue it makes sense to do that when embarking on a new endeavour a well. People need to pay rent and have jobs. I don’t see what is wrong about working your way up a career ladder within an organization or thinking about how you will provide for yourself? You have to engage with the status quo and the popular mainstream if you want to change it.
butchersapron
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I was parodying one of our more theatrcial posters as it goes....
I'm not sure if it's really realistic to judge criteria for success within say a month or two of being involved in a political party. Although you are quite right, about’ he who castes the first stone’. My criticism of others is in part a reflexive critic of my own time involved in left-wing politics, and that which I have observed. It's also a defence of the sometimes vitriolic criticism of my own decision to become a Lib Dem party member.
Currently I’m engaged in trying to save a local community centre, and involved in some local allotment planning whether I will have any measure of success remains to be seen. It's quite feasible I may not.
I'm not berating anyone who does practical things in their community to try and improve the day to day lives of their fellow person. What I’m berating is unfeasibly ideological pure political aims that have no resonance with who ordinary people think and feel. Someone may find their own suitable local vehicle, depending on their locality. If Shevek thinks the Lib Dems provide such an opportunity then they should be supported.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why do you have to be involved in that through the lib "human filth" dems - there's no need at all. That not a prerequisite for involvment. The rest is really just generic common sense and again, the truth of it doesn't rest on your membership of the lib-dems.
No your right, the Lib-Dems are just one vehicle for change. Having MPs, involvement in the parliamentary process, local councillors, and limited funds to employ staff does however mean they have some effective means for achieving that change. Our parliamentary process is hugely flawed and in need of radical democratic reform but it’s still the best route for change in my opinion.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
The Lib Dems close down these kind of opportunities - opportunities for community politics, practical things in the community all the time - they organise to ensure maximum Lib Dem credit, they use and exploit other people though - that's it, purely electoral.
When they're in power of course they act in the interests of the rich
http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/1673640.0/
and countless other examples
Shevek has a brain and a body he can just go to people about practical things and talk to them without being a party person at all.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
the BNP are also in favour of the welfare state. Plus they've run fewer homophobic election campaigns than the lib dems.
the BNP would SCRAP the welfare state unless thats another policy they've changed their minds on. They hate the poor, apart from when they're getting votes from them
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Ethnic nalgocrat
where do they say that that would scrap the welfare state? They seem to be in favour of the NHS, council housing, nationlisation of industries. I'm sure shevek can find many parallels between these policies and anarchism.
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