I think I'm a marked man at work
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stretchy18
New Member
Far too much time on your hands, I'm flattered. Please post some of my views on "Pikies", muslims, porn and misogyny and discuss
You'll have to explain what my inspiration for my user name is, I'm not sure I get you.
Try and keep on thread, this is about employment issues rather than some sort of scatter gun character assasination based on past posts, perhaps you should find my early posts reference constructive dismissal............But that wouldn't fit in with your generic pen picture of me.
(The post wasn't actually directed at you, if it makes you uncomfortable...............) I've edited post so doesn't appear to be directed at you personally
toodlepip
You'll have to explain what my inspiration for my user name is, I'm not sure I get you.
Try and keep on thread, this is about employment issues rather than some sort of scatter gun character assasination based on past posts, perhaps you should find my early posts reference constructive dismissal............But that wouldn't fit in with your generic pen picture of me.
(The post wasn't actually directed at you, if it makes you uncomfortable...............) I've edited post so doesn't appear to be directed at you personally
toodlepip
I don't think you're a boss's plant, poster.Yeah - I must be a bosses plant because I refuse to peddle illusions in the bosses system. That makes sense. Not.
But I do think you have a political agenda that's bigger than a very big thing, and I think everything you say on the matter of employment is coloured by it. I think that makes for a very over-simplistic assessment of the situation, and quite probably a pretty slanted view of it too.
I don't know who cesare is, but she talks like someone who has been there and done it, as far as employment cases go. You talk like someone who has strong political views, especially on the question of class and employment relations.
I think it's a bit unkind of you to use starfish's obvious distress about what's going on as a platform to Trot (geddit?) out your agenda when there are clearly far more clued-up people offering constructive and useful advice.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Thank you.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
For goodness sake, I'm going from experience - first and second hand. No agenda - but my own political views have been coloured by experiences such as these (you'll find I'm largely out of step with most orthodox "leftist" doctrine on this matter, btw).
In the case I mentioned above, the boss has already decided, pretty much, that the member of staff WILL fail their probationary period. They're already setting up the "I've noticed a decline in perfomance and expect an improvement (subtext: which I'll make sure I don't find)" shtick - whilst refusing to do anything about the excessive workload being dumped on them from other parts of the organisation which is making it impossibel for them to do their actual job. The boss concerned has told the employee to approach them whenevr unreasonable demands like this are placed on them - but whenever they DO this, the boss simply upholds the requests of the person dumping the extra work on them. The staff member can't win in this standard "set them up to fail" game.
It's quite claer that the gameplan is to get us much work as they can out of this member of staff and then give them the boot at the end of the probationary period. Which seems to be unofficial is standard operating proceedure for many employers now.
In the case I mentioned above, the boss has already decided, pretty much, that the member of staff WILL fail their probationary period. They're already setting up the "I've noticed a decline in perfomance and expect an improvement (subtext: which I'll make sure I don't find)" shtick - whilst refusing to do anything about the excessive workload being dumped on them from other parts of the organisation which is making it impossibel for them to do their actual job. The boss concerned has told the employee to approach them whenevr unreasonable demands like this are placed on them - but whenever they DO this, the boss simply upholds the requests of the person dumping the extra work on them. The staff member can't win in this standard "set them up to fail" game.
It's quite claer that the gameplan is to get us much work as they can out of this member of staff and then give them the boot at the end of the probationary period. Which seems to be unofficial is standard operating proceedure for many employers now.
...standard probabation period is 3-6 months... how much work do you think an employer will get out of some-one who is learning the ropes....
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
It's an additional example that once they've made up their mind they want to fuck you over, they'll go to any machiavellian length to do it and there's little you can do in practise once the machinary has been set in motion.
I used to think otherwise; that was 10 years ago - before I started seeing more and more instances of people getting screwed over in ways such as this. I've seen people try EVERYTHING to resist - only for the end result to be the same.
Aren't you seeing a pattern here....
If you think there is no chance of winning, you tell your member there is no chance of winning.... & then you either don't bother fight a claim (or don't do it properly...) then you lose....
If you think there is a chance of winning, you tell your member (or client) there is a chance of winning (note: realistic, not 100%... or 0%), you put in a properly completed & argued claim..... you end up winning more than you lose.....
Now if you:-
# don't believe the official statistics on claims won/lost/settled, or
# you believe that those of us who have a different experience of fighting claims are lying running dogs of capitalism/David Ike's Lizard Army etc, or
# it simply doesn't suit your chosen bleak world view to be positive in any way whatsoever...
..then fair enough..
I just thank f**k that you are never ever likely to have to represent me, as that would be slit wrist time...
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
All I can say is you've both probably had completely different experiences of these things than I have.
Quote stats at me til your blue in the face if you like. My life experiences (and those of people I know who've been shat all over) tell me a diffferent story altogether. That's all I can really answer.
Quote stats at me til your blue in the face if you like. My life experiences (and those of people I know who've been shat all over) tell me a diffferent story altogether. That's all I can really answer.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
And if also strikes me that admin, secratarial staff etc (IE; easy to replace and cheap to train) are now routinely failed on their probationary period to prevent them qualifiying for what little employment rigths exist and to keep the payscales down.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
If employers want to make sure that people don't get employment rights, all they have to do is employ someone on a temporary contract of less than a year.
It's expensive to routinely and deliberately have a policy of failing staff during their probationary period. People aren't cheap to replace and train.
It's expensive to routinely and deliberately have a policy of failing staff during their probationary period. People aren't cheap to replace and train.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
But how are your life experiences helping starfish?
... have you ever tried to recruit for admin & secretarial..
However, general employment rights click in at 12 months, irrespective of any probation status.
Discrimination rights/cover click in on day 1, ditto probation.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Nah, you get discrimination rights even if you're not employed e.g. in the interviewing process.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
They stand as a cautionary tale (a word to the wise). Once I would have urged people to fight these things all the way - now I'm not so certain, having seen what can actually happen.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Is there no way you could post your cautionary tales but also give constructive advice?
But it's about being realistic, not giving false expectations, but at least giving members/clients the confidence that they are being listened to, that their cases are fightable, that you can have your 'day in court' & that at least they can give the person who has given them grief a run for their money....
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Well I wish someone could answer why I see the same thing happening to various people over and over again - regardless of their supposed rights (which are often just ignored or sidelined). Most probationary periods now last 6 months - falling well short of the 1-year qualifying period for most employment rights.
I'm not invovled with representing them or anything, these are just recountn of what people have told me they've been through.
I genuinely would love to know the answers.
I'm not invovled with representing them or anything, these are just recountn of what people have told me they've been through.
I genuinely would love to know the answers.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Frankly, I'm out of ideas. I've seen it all been tried and fail too often.
I wish I really knew why these thing seem to happen in defiance of all concieved wisdom and practise. I really do.
pinkychukkles
Feed Your Head
If you're out of ideas and anything constructive to say then why post on these threads?
Honestly, you're so doom and gloom poster that you're becoming a caricature and I and probably others know that you've got something useful to say. Don't let the bastards grind you down.
Honestly, you're so doom and gloom poster that you're becoming a caricature and I and probably others know that you've got something useful to say. Don't let the bastards grind you down.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Then why do I see this happen so often?
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
reported both KBJ and poster342002 as neither of you are giving accurate or correct information and could be the cause of someone losing their job or leaving it because of terible advice previously you have both been asked to keep this kind of union/employments rights bashign of these threads informally by more than on poster, lets hope that a passing mod will also advise you and this time you'll both take it to heart.
these threads aren't really the place for you two to petty point score particularlly when your own prejudiced thinking might cost someone their livelyhood.
these threads aren't really the place for you two to petty point score particularlly when your own prejudiced thinking might cost someone their livelyhood.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Indeed. Quite possibly the most spuriously reported post I've heard of. So far as I'm aware, it's the first and only time anyone's even reported a post of mine.
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