I still don't see any rise in militancy or resistance

[Fruitloop]

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[ViolentPanda]

It's England, they'd rather moan about the weather and what not.

Could be worse, could be Ulster, where the fuckers moan about everything, even good luck!!

 

[ViolentPanda]

What's MAP?

It's the thing you usually need to find your own arsehole.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Eh....???

Ah... Poster is wankered....

This is JHE re-treading old arguments and allegations, and taking the piss out of Garf's dyslexia.

 

[nino_savatte]

What a shit thread.

poster90210, innit? True to form.

 

[poster342002]

I predict worse to come on this thread. It's amazing how much mad anger and abuse is provoked by Poster's pessimism. It's as if Poster were a heretic...

Yes, certain types don't like it when I point out reality to them (as opposed to their dribbling far-flung fantasies).

 

[belboid]

naah, we just laughed at you. same as always

 

[poster342002]

There is some unknown level of economic woe, unemployment and general suffering that would cause critical mass, that we havent breached yet, and may not breach in the present economic woetime, hard to be sure.

The promise of a general election and a change of leadership will act as some sort of focus and pressure release, even if a large chunk of the population are cynical about all that sort of thing.

And even if the pressure builds to a level where everything changes, its easy to see it going in any number of very horrible directions. There is some sense that a whole bunch of paintful political truths are going to end up being learnt the hardway by the generations that have been lucky enough to avoid some of the old scourges such as absolute poverty, war, and working conditions, pay, hours etc that were far more of a nightmare than is typical today. If we run out of carrot, the stick is going to come more sharply into focus once more.

Or who knows, maybe things will go off in a strange new direction, perhaps driven by things we can do with modern technology that werent possible just a decade or so ago.

That's actually a pretty good summary of the situation, I think. Although I fear the former part of your post is more likely than the latter. The only "stange new directions" all this new technology seems to be taking us is towards a horrific world of microchipped humans having to constantly account for every thing they do, say - and eventually think - to their "betters".

 

[dennisr]

Yes, certain types don't like it when I point out reality to them (as opposed to their dribbling far-flung fantasies).

He, he, I love it - 'poster the rebel', 'poster the heretic', 'poster the outsider'

Now you are something poster - something 'special'

rather than poster the dribbling pessimistic bore with nothing to say on any subject whatsoever

you show them soldier. i for one have seen the light

 

[Zeppo]

poster more doom and gloom. Yes in the UK the masses are not storming the barricades. The recession, rise in unemployment, very poor TUC and trade union bureaucracy are not showing a lead are all factors working negatively against any rise in militancy.

However, I am sure poster know his Marx and things can change. The anger over MPs expenses - where no doubt more will come out - will have a political impact.

When boy David Cameron comes in with a programme of privatisation and cuts - no diff from New Labour could see a fightback - the situation will be different - the fake NL friends of labour not, will be gone - I think this means everything to play for. I am sure in the beginning of the 19th century ye old poster would be saying the same thing but in the same century we had the Chartists.

Chin up poster.

 

[poster342002]

poster more doom and gloom. Yes in the UK the masses are not storming the barricades. The recession, rise in unemployment, very poor TUC and trade union bureaucracy are not showing a lead are all factors working negatively against any rise in militancy.

However, I am sure poster know his Marx and things can change. The anger over MPs expenses - where no doubt more will come out - will have a political impact.

When boy David Cameron comes in with a programme of privatisation and cuts - no diff from New Labour could see a fightback - the situation will be different - the fake NL friends of labour not, will be gone - I think this means everything to play for. I am sure in the beginning of the 19th century ye old poster would be saying the same thing but in the same century we had the Chartists.

Chin up poster.

But how many times has all this been predicted only for nothing to actually happen?

As to the TUC and union beaurocracy not showing a lead - well, what do you expect?

 

[tbaldwin]

I think the Lefts obsession with whatever is currently in the news is a major problem. Anybody who wants social justice has to look well beyond whatever the current headlines are and focus on the kind of world we want. Its OK to go along to some degree with the news agenda and pose different questions and answers to the mainstream media but too often it just sounds like people just end up doing the medias work for them.
treelover is right about how certain (unsexy issues) are ignored by the Left.
But the welfare state is a difficult one for the Left...Purely defensive struggles dont seem like a good use of time but what should the Left argue for when it comes to Jobs and Welfare?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I think the Lefts obsession with whatever is currently in the news is a major problem. Anybody who wants social justice has to look well beyond whatever the current headlines are and focus on the kind of world we want. Its OK to go along to some degree with the news agenda and pose different questions and answers to the mainstream media but too often it just sounds like people just end up doing the medias work for them.
treelover is right about how certain (unsexy issues) are ignored by the Left.
But the welfare state is a difficult one for the Left...Purely defensive struggles dont seem like a good use of time but what should the Left argue for when it comes to Jobs and Welfare?

thanks for taking what i said and phrasing it less eloquently than i ever could...

you're still a tit...

 

[Wolveryeti]

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

 

[trevhagl]

Agree there. Apart from the odd flare up such as the Viseton occupation etc I've not noticed any rise in militancy.

'keep your head down and carry on' seems to be the order of the day.

or vote Tory snigger

 

[butchersapron]

But how many times has all this been predicted only for nothing to actually happen?

As to the TUC and union beaurocracy not showing a lead - well, what do you expect?

There's no automatic rule at work here. This isn't a washing machine.

 

[dennisr]

all hail the wolveryeti

 

[nightbreed]

all hail the wolveryeti

Brilliant!!

 

[purplex]

Graf,

Suuurley, ay noterious racist lick you noes better. Meebe nott.

But yor ilso a rich giit, ent yoo? Wonce you finiched calling blak peep 'nigger', yoo fly of to Indeea to bash sumone who call you ray cyst.

Wee awl kno twit lick you. As you saunta down Snob Newington Crutch Street, yoo shouet 'Yo, ma niggas!' and 'Yo, ma hoes!'

Ownly reezon you not bached is coz yoo ovviiosly mad twat.

Chou

J

What a vicious nasty prick you are.