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I still don't see any rise in militancy or resistance

The state needs to be an example to the world again because in the days of the Empire it gave infrastructure to developing countries when now it merely rapes them with the power of capital

Eh? how is this raping of developing nations any different to the raping done back then? Like the destruction of their way of life, the enslavement of its people and starving millions of Indians by shipping their food out. I suppose they were more blatant about it then.
 
as all poster ever sees is the inside of his own arsehole, i doubt if he could see the rise of the sun, let alone anything else
 
Agree there. Apart from the odd flare up such as the Viseton occupation etc I've not noticed any rise in militancy.

'keep your head down and carry on' seems to be the order of the day.

A Tory advocating militancy? Fucksake. Cognitive dissonance anyone?
 
Eh? how is this raping of developing nations any different to the raping done back then? Like the destruction of their way of life, the enslavement of its people and starving millions of Indians by shipping their food out. I suppose they were more blatant about it then.

What ever you say Britain on some levels is respected in that part of the world for modernising and creating a fairer system, so without going on as I don't pretend to know everything there was a cross fertilisation of sorts :hmm: as politically we were developing at that time ourselves and that nourished some people there..Ghandi eh
 
Posternumbers you remind of a man I once heard at a political meeting that was not particularly well attended. He spent about ten minutes railing at the members of the small audience blaming them for being a small audience. He had not twigged that these were the people who by attending were interested in making things happen and sharing ideas. The people who were not there would not hear his message at all.

Probably he also would have had the effect of persuading some of those who were there that it was a waste of time and not to bother again. Perhaps that is your intention posternumbers.

I can think of no finer explanation of what I have felt is wrong with poster342002's commentary than this.

Should poster342002 be willling to show, to Hocus Eye's satisfaction, that his political activities do engage new people into a wider struggle, then I will donate to MAP again. In poster342002's name if preferred; in the Canuck memorial fund otherwise.

:D
 
There is some unknown level of economic woe, unemployment and general suffering that would cause critical mass, that we havent breached yet, and may not breach in the present economic woetime, hard to be sure.

The promise of a general election and a change of leadership will act as some sort of focus and pressure release, even if a large chunk of the population are cynical about all that sort of thing.

And even if the pressure builds to a level where everything changes, its easy to see it going in any number of very horrible directions. There is some sense that a whole bunch of paintful political truths are going to end up being learnt the hardway by the generations that have been lucky enough to avoid some of the old scourges such as absolute poverty, war, and working conditions, pay, hours etc that were far more of a nightmare than is typical today. If we run out of carrot, the stick is going to come more sharply into focus once more.

Or who knows, maybe things will go off in a strange new direction, perhaps driven by things we can do with modern technology that werent possible just a decade or so ago.
 
Graf,

Suuurley, ay noterious racist lick you noes better. Meebe nott.

But yor ilso a rich giit, ent yoo? Wonce you finiched calling blak peep 'nigger', yoo fly of to Indeea to bash sumone who call you ray cyst.

Wee awl kno twit lick you. As you saunta down Snob Newington Crutch Street, yoo shouet 'Yo, ma niggas!' and 'Yo, ma hoes!'

Ownly reezon you not bached is coz yoo ovviiosly mad twat.

Chou

J

I suggest you back up you claim I've called anyone a nigger with an actual quote which would prove this

oh and for the record just so you know like I was in india to race cars open a few paramedic centres get a few multinationals to sponsor around 30 or so primary care and first aid stations promote road safety and raise a fair wack for other future paramedic and primary care centres to roll out an entire network which will eventually cover all of india which modern 21st centry health care.

and dear heart not to make you look an even bigger fool than you already do but you beleived nonsense you read by phildwyer.

really time for you to leave the internet really technology is for the evolved only.

sure you could reasonably argue that through an accident of birth I'm in a position which you seemingly envy. I didn't chose it, but it allows me time to do things which help others so it's not entirely wasted.

what you and numbers and tealady don't understand is that it's not where you're from or the circumstances which you have no control over which define you it's your actions.

you actions over the last few years are those of a dick. plain and simple.

sure I'm a clueless fop I'm aware of that at least, I don't pretend to know any better. But the way i figger it is that the way you change anything is by going and doing things numbers wanted to know where's the radical action the militancy who the fuck cares the time for trying to stare them down is over it's fight which most people have neither the ability or the will to fight. It's a circular game of 15 year despotism of flavour x and then 15 year despotism of flavour y.

The empasse has been reached because the current system is morrowbound to way's which are now entirely outdated. by attempting to continually position as the alternative to the current thinking with out the practicality of action the same old mistakes are repeated.

if this system is shot and needs replacing with a brand new one because we nearly all accept that it's beyond repair then we need to build it.

which then means all you and numbers and tealady are doing by you constant moaning and inaction is furthering the cause of those you are supposedly against.

so fine judge me on what i've done, what i've said or how i come over to you that's cool. You're wrong. dead wrong. but judge me for something entirely out of my hands an accident of birth and make a totally unfounded accusation that i'm a racist; then fuck you, fuck your mother, fuck you father, fuck you entire family, all of them, all back through the ages all those crossed pairs of dna back to when they were fucking ameoba fuck them all.

you're a slow witted cunt, whose own punishment is being you and knowing that you are the evoultionary peak of your genaological linage.

don't forget to post a fully quote now dear.
 
:rolleyes:
Graf,

Suuurley, ay noterious racist lick you noes better. Meebe nott.

But yor ilso a rich giit, ent yoo? Wonce you finiched calling blak peep 'nigger', yoo fly of to Indeea to bash sumone who call you ray cyst.

Wee awl kno twit lick you. As you saunta down Snob Newington Crutch Street, yoo shouet 'Yo, ma niggas!' and 'Yo, ma hoes!'

Ownly reezon you not bached is coz yoo ovviiosly mad twat.

Chou

J

Eh....???

Ah... Poster is wankered....:rolleyes:
 
so fine judge me on what i've done, what i've said or how i come over to you that's cool. You're wrong. dead wrong. but judge me for something entirely out of my hands an accident of birth and make a totally unfounded accusation that i'm a racist; then fuck you

Odd then that you chose to call him a racist first. (There's a lot of that sort of crpa about atm) I think you need to learn how to choose a proper battleground. or, don't come in derailing threads with your rantings and accusations.
 
Official strike figures for the last 3 months are down on what they were the year before - and the start of years generally. Massively so in the public sector. Of course, there's less people in employment...

However, we've had a large factory occupation that looks far more succesfull (i know it's still being played out) than aything we've had in this country for many mnay years - we've had two actually, a small one in Scotland as well. We've had people occupying schools against cuts in at least three different places. We've had the victory at Lyndesy where there were nationwide wildcat stikes that went totally unpunished (and there's more in the pipline ro that sector). We've utter public disgust at politicians. There's more going on than nothing.

edit: We've not got any large scale oppostion to repossesions though (50% up this year).
 
It seems to be kicking off in Greece at the moment in quite a big way. The media are doing a fantastic job of distracting people with pointless bollocks and providing a platform for MP's self-chastisement at the moment.
 
Odd then that you chose to call him a racist first. (There's a lot of that sort of crpa about atm) I think you need to learn how to choose a proper battleground. or, don't come in derailing threads with your rantings and accusations.

what exactly do you call his constant muslim bashing. if not racism.

but then tbh a fucking put up job like yourself is always going to claim some spurious nonsense because it's a backward religion right so it's entirely fair game to denograte an entire section of people based on their culture which is what he does and you support him doing.

that fuck for brains is by most people standards racist.

so that's for you're leaping in to defend the undefendable but actually care to take a running jump.

i mean seriously, you're just as bad as numbers jhe and tealady, always scathing and dispargaging of others actions regardless of that they are always quick to dimiss others if it does't fit your narrow frankly archic view point of the world and always quick to leap into action again those who you oppose on the internets...

you might know a lot of history about the left wing polical movement and be able to quot dogma chapter and verse but you're one of the most devisive posters on here for guarenteeing that those on the fringes or who might get involved will be put off by your whitering temprement and causitc attitude.

you numbers tealady and jhe are succubious draining the good will and enthusiasm out of people in much the same way that the SW drain out people use them up then spit them out.

so thanks all the same if i don't take advice or indeed note of what a moronic thread stalker like you say fan club. you really are the sound of one hand clapping.

oh and class race etc you're born into you can't do anything about either, but being a racist moron...

All this political posturing is sky painting, it's fine to day dream that the world might be radically different. i find it more practical to do things which actually help.

so really keep being down on people you're such an asset really...
 
where's the debate to be had, I mean really...

Am i to entertain the idea that poster numbers has ever done anything credible or conversely that there is significant wieght behind their insessent cunty attitude of deriding anything which isn't wieghed, measured and cerfitied as 'propper' socialist or real left wing or any of the plastic mcparodies of any one actively involved.

As for your riseable waffle about open debate it's hil-ar-ious trust...

you JHE and numbers deserve each other it's like macbeths witches got all middle class and spent time with anthea turner and think that they can now put the world to rights...

sacerine flavour posin every bt as damaging and fuckign pointless as anything the asignin produced.

moreover you numbers and JHE are a fucking trumph of banality...

The debate to be had is quite clear. Poster made it clear from his opening post which says their is a lack of real militancy when it comes to attacks on wages and conditions.
Is that something you agree with or disagree with? And do you have any possible reasons why things are the way they are and how they could be different?
But instead you seem to ignore all that and instead attack poster,JHE etc which seems to be kind of missing the point.
 
Not bothering with any of that. The point is simple though. Don't jump in shouting

you JHE a known wisker away from being a fully paid up memeber of the national socialists

then cry when you in turn are called a racist - have some consistency or your oh-so-principled anger sounds hollow, self-serving and dishonest.

If you've something to say about the issue of thread then go ahead. I'm unlikely to respond to any further spittle from you on this thread.
 
Not bothering with any of that. The point is simple though. Don't jump in shouting



then cry when you in turn are called a racist - have some consistency or your oh-so-principled anger sounds hollow, self-serving and dishonest.

If you've something to say about the issue of thread then go ahead. I'm unlikely to respond to any further spittle from you on this thread.

only because you've got no defence.

jhe is promoting the erridication of a section of society becuase of their belief system. At any given oppertunity they use it to soap box and grandstand and spread more FUD. and you support it.

you have no intrest in the thread at all so don't back foot here as is evidenced by your first posts on the thread which once again where about someone else not about the topic of discussion...

so really your patetic attempts to gain moral high ground here where you are floundering in the mud are very funny, if they weren't such a pathetic attempt at wriggling as to your original motiviation for your contributions to the thread.

what good is any militancy or resistance going to do when it's permentantly couched in terms dictated by the status quo.

one day you and all the other keyboard warriors out there will realise that whilst you're putting the world to rights on the internets the rest of us are taking pratical steps to do things and don't need favour or grace from the likes of you and your tiedious chums, because let's face it in all practicality people who constantly carp but are hopelessly impractical aren't by any streach of the imagination part of the solution...

so why don't you post up what you beleive might be practically done, which is achiveable and will have lasting results. rather than leaping to the defence of a cultural supremacist or vanguarding with the keyboard warriors... except that of course that would require a modicum of effort to enguage people rather than poncing around being all aloof that you are far more 'wadlically informed' than thou...

I'm pissing in the wind here though, it's not like you'd ever engauge on that level...
 
It's not an entirely bad question, just lapsed into a pub-brawl with unusual speed. Maybe everyone started the weekend early last night or sommat.
 
The debate to be had is quite clear. Poster made it clear from his opening post which says their is a lack of real militancy when it comes to attacks on wages and conditions.
Is that something you agree with or disagree with? And do you have any possible reasons why things are the way they are and how they could be different?
But instead you seem to ignore all that and instead attack poster,JHE etc which seems to be kind of missing the point.

the debate was started as another look at me hom much more wadical i am by being disparaging of everyone else as all the ego trip threads by numbers are. Jhe used it as usual to light his pet bonfire, you use it to narrow the terms of dicussion to prevent anything further and butchers comes in to bash his favourate poster, cos of his stalking fanclub obsession.

there's no debate to be had with such people.

we would like to this which will change this...
numbers: yeah but your not radical enough. I'll have nothign to do with it
Jhe: fucking mossies. I'll have nothign to do with it
tealady: your all hopeless, you're all wrong. I'll have nothign to do with it
butchers: random statistics, hisotircal dogma, whitering contempt. I'll have nothign to do with it

you know just so we're clear...

practical changes from outside the system you cannot change things whilst being inside of the system you have to overtake and absorb the system.

for a bunch of anti capitalist and supposed left wing thinkers you've entirely missed the mechanic at work in both the current system and in more importantly what motiveates others...

Status quo politics says a,b,c wadical politcs says that bad because of 1,2,3. who's leading who? that'd be the status quo setting the agenda and eveyrone else dancing to their tune.

you want to make the agenda about people about changing things then you need to make that your agenda. The status quo actions are irrelelvant we're not likely to keep their dogma in anything which is built which is new. so why even waste time attacking it.

now if this was a thread which started I don't see a rise in community outreach projects to help those communities who have had significant unemployment. I don't see a rise in support groups for those communites. I don't see a rise in training being provided to reskill those communites then there's a debate.

no debate can be had around what one person beleives others should be doing in order to placate their own mindset about the status quo.

so no there's nothing to add to the debate because of the coached terms it was started in...

practical solutions
 
Shooting the messengers as usual, there is an argument about the priorities of many people, thats all, for instance, I would argue there is an 'hierarchy of oppression' here and in the wider community, and some groups are left out.

tealady....
 
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