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I just saw a bloke shut his rottweiler in the boot of his car

There is that, plus there's no way of telling how long the dog was going to be travelling for.

I'm still a bit :hmm::hmm::hmm: about it though. Mind you, I'm also thinking about a friend of mine whose dog travels with her by car all the time and seems to love his mini home in the back, but that's an estate not a boot.

I used to leave my dog in the back of my car but there's a lot of space in it - enough for me (and him!) to sleep comfortably overnight with the back seats down, which we used to do quite often.

I would never shut a dog IN the BOOT of a car, especially not a large dog like a Rottie.
 
I'm a bit confused now tbh. Trashy, did he pull up, let the dog out then put him back in the boot while he went to visit friend? Or did you watch him go from point A to point B (mate's house) and leave the dog locked in the boot from point A?



Are they tranquilised? Didn't know that.

yea but maybe the dog is used to it? we don't know the backstory here. of course if he left the canine in there for a long time then that would be abuse but for 20 minutes...i don't know

Sorry, I realise that was a bit confusing. I didn't see him pull up, just open the boot, the dog jumped in and then he and his mate (I assume) went into the house.

He's still in there. Over an hour now.

Well I called the RSPCA so at least I feel I've done what I can.

The other thing is that I assume he does that whatever the weather. And so probably shuts the dog in the car when it's really hot too
 
Well Im glad you called the RSPCA. If its something dodgy youve done the right thing, and if not nothing will come of it, so imo youve done right either way.
 
Well Im glad you called the RSPCA. If its something dodgy youve done the right thing, and if not nothing will come of it, so imo youve done right either way.

Their investigating officer just called me back but the bloke has now gone. They were glad I'd reported it and will trace the licence plate through the police and go and have a word.

I'm pleased I called them :)
 
Well Im glad you called the RSPCA. If its something dodgy youve done the right thing, and if not nothing will come of it, so imo youve done right either way.

Agree, and leaving it unattended for an hour does seem a bit extreme, but otherwise I wouldn't have an issue with it travelling or being left that way.

It's hardly any different to dog cages deliberately intended for dogs travelling in boots and a lot of dogs kick off at everyone/dog/cat/thing they see. If it was loose in the car and kicked off at every pedestrian walking past, it would be sensible to lock him in the boot where he can't see or (from a passersby POV) threaten anyone.

Just because he does it in poor weather doesn't follow he does it in hot weather. My dog goes to the supermarket with me on bad weather days, but never on a sunny day.
 
If it was loose in the car and kicked off at every pedestrian walking past, it would be sensible to lock him in the boot where he can't see or (from a passersby POV) threaten anyone.

That's a good point, hadn't thought of that.
Just because he does it in poor weather doesn't follow he does it in hot weather. My dog goes to the supermarket with me on bad weather days, but never on a sunny day.

True
 
There's a shit-load of possible variables to be fair, best let the RSPCA sort it out if in doubt. Which you've done Trashy, so hopefully all's well.
 
There's a shit-load of possible variables to be fair, best let the RSPCA sort it out if in doubt. Which you've done Trashy, so hopefully all's well.

Yep. You can second guess the situation over and over, but only the RSPCA would be able to assess it properly, so giving them the info is always the best course of action. There might be a 90% chance the dog was fine and it's nothing to worry about, but what if that 10% was actually the case? You make the phonecall, then it's the RSPCAs call on any action :)
 
I still don't fully understand the arguments. For example, is this also cruel?


2-dogs-car-cage.jpg
 
I still don't fully understand the arguments. For example, is this also cruel?


2-dogs-car-cage.jpg

That's entirely different to the description of what had happened though.

A Rottweiler in the boot of a car hidden under a parcel shelf for an hour or more is not the same thing as two smaller dogs in specially designed cages in the back of a car with the boot open with space, light and air.

:confused:
 
LC - we weren't there, we didn't experience the uneasy feeling the OP did when she saw this happening. The only responsible thing to do is what she did, contact the RSPCA. If all is well, well that's fine, but on the slight off-chance something isn't, well, the appropriate people know about it and can do as they see fit.

The point is, it's for people who deal with animal welfare and who can go and find out for themselves to make the judgement, not a bunch of strong-willed opinionated people in teh intermawebs.
 
That's entirely different to the description of what had happened though.

A Rottweiler in the boot of a car hidden under a parcel shelf for an hour or more is not the same thing as two smaller dogs in specially designed cages in the back of a car with the boot open with space, light and air.

:confused:
I don't understand how height (of the space) is an issue in either case, I don't understand how two sharing an already smaller space (the cage in the photo fits inside the width and depth dimensions of the boot space) is better than one, and boots aren't air tight - at least the space between the back seats and the boot isn't?

Until someone explains where I'm going wrong, I'm left with cruelty because the dog is kept in the dark during daylight, for how long we don't know?

Just asking the questions btw because I quite like clarity of thought, and also because I was once reported to the police (and my car entered on a 'watch list' database) for driving around one of those large elderly retirement places looking for my grandmothers new home.
 
I don't really know much about dogs but that seems really cruel to me. :( It wasn't an estate, just an ordinary car so the dog's totally in the dark too.

Am I being a bit over-sensitive?

That's a serious case of animal cruelty imo. You ought to take the reg number of the car and report him to the RSPCA.

I really wish people wouldn't treat dogs like some kind of fashion accessory. :mad:
 
Sorry, I realise that was a bit confusing. I didn't see him pull up, just open the boot, the dog jumped in and then he and his mate (I assume) went into the house.

He's still in there. Over an hour now.

Well I called the RSPCA so at least I feel I've done what I can.

The other thing is that I assume he does that whatever the weather. And so probably shuts the dog in the car when it's really hot too

Nice one. :cool:
 
I don't understand how height (of the space) is an issue in either case, I don't understand how two sharing an already smaller space (the cage in the photo fits inside the width and depth dimensions of the boot space) is better than one, and boots aren't air tight - at least the space between the back seats and the boot isn't?

Until someone explains where I'm going wrong, I'm left with cruelty because the dog is kept in the dark during daylight, for how long we don't know?

Just asking the questions btw because I quite like clarity of thought, and also because I was once reported to the police (and my car entered on a 'watch list' database) for driving around one of those large elderly retirement places looking for my grandmothers new home.

Both the dogs in your picture are sitting up, and have room to move. I can't believe that a Rottweiler put in a boot under a parcel shelf had room to sit up, or move around. TBH I don't see the need to leave the dog in a car boot at all, what's wrong with leaving it in the car? If, as has been suggested, it's to prevent the dog going mental a passers-by then take it into the mates house, and if that's not possible then take it home. Dog ownership carries with it a degree of responsibility and I don't see that displayed in this scenario.

There's no harm in reporting the incident to the RSPCA, if everything is fine they will be satisfied, and if it's not at least they have a chance to act.

While Im sorry that you got reported for driving around in your car looking for your grandmother's new home I don't see it in the same light as locking a large dog in a small confined space unnecesarily (sp?, sorry) for a relatively long period of time.
 
And if height isn't an issue, then I imagine that on aeroplanes, tranquilized dogs might be stuffed into the wall space for insulation :)
 
It's cruel and uncaring imo.
As MG said... a dog is a responsibility. If you can't be assed to think of the dogs needs and happiness n comfort and look after it properly etc. Don't have a fucking dog. Twats make me so angry. :mad:
 
Also those dog cages shown in post #43 are to protect the dogs (and owners) if there's a crash. The cages keep the dogs from flying forwards into the back of the driver's head or from going through the windscreen.
 
While Im sorry that you got reported for driving around in your car looking for your grandmother's new home I don't see it in the same light as locking a large dog in a small confined space unnecesarily (sp?, sorry) for a relatively long period of time.
Well, I hope you’ll forgive me if I do see a parallel. You see, I assume that, generally speaking, people aren’t burglars casing a joint, or likely animal abusers.

I’ll assume the driver is lost or having trouble finding somewhere, and that the animal owner knows his dog better than me and has good reason to be doing what he’s doing – especially in the absence of any other symptoms like verbal abuse, under-nourishment, a poor coat, etc. Was there, for example a baby in the car the OP couldn’t see from distance? Has the dog owner previously had trouble with, and been problematically distracted by, the animal over-excited by car travel?

I also only ever see those cages used after a walk in the country or park i.e. when’s the dog is dirty or muddy. I’d also think they’d be useful if you have an excitable, and therefore distractive, dog.

I take the height issue on board, though we don't know about the dog or the vehicle in this case.

I’d agree there’s sometimes a tricky line between being a responsible citizen and (the equivalent of) a net-curtain twitching busybody and this is, conceivably, one of those situations. But I’d be very careful about crossing the line.
 
Was there, for example a baby in the car the OP couldn’t see from distance?
If there was he wan't reporting to social services as well for leaving a bay in a car for an hour. :rolleyes:

Has the dog owner previously had trouble with, and been problematically distracted by, the animal over-excited by car travel?
Read the thread. The car was parked.

I take the height issue on board, though we don't know about the dog or the vehicle in this case.

Rottweilers tend to be a similar size. You don't get minature or dwarf versions of them. The OP states the car was a Honda civic so the boot size is also known.
 
I just looked up Honda Civic - it is quite small . . . and for an hour . . . okay, based on what we know I guess this example is borderline. But, as a general proposition . . .
 
Like London Calling, I would assume that the dog's owner knows the animal better than I do.

Lots of people treat their animals differently to the way I do, sometimes in ways that I consider ill-advised or plain wrong but that doesn't necessarily make them cruel.
 
If it was loose in the car and kicked off at every pedestrian walking past, it would be sensible to lock him in the boot where he can't see or (from a passersby POV) threaten anyone.

Yeah, kinda makes you wish some local robbing scrote would try his luck and break in to it though.
 
If the dog went mad at passing pedestrians it wouldn't make sense carrying the dog inside the car while driving. There's enough to concentrate on while driving without trying to get a 90lb dog out of your face at the same time. :eek::D
 
Like London Calling, I would assume that the dog's owner knows the animal better than I do.

Lots of people treat their animals differently to the way I do, sometimes in ways that I consider ill-advised or plain wrong but that doesn't necessarily make them cruel.

But why? Is there not some base standard below which we say 'okay the dog doesn't appear distressed but that is cruel'? If you ignore a crying child, eventually it will learn not to cry because no one comes. That doesn't mean that ignoring a child is ever okay.

If the RSPCA don't think there is any problem then that's fine. But personally I feel very uneasy seeing a 70kg squished into an ordinary sized boot for an hour where it can't sit up, turn round or see anything outside.
 
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