Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
DoUsAFavour said:
What cruelty? It's just a few little rodents who might help us cure cancer by dying horribly.
"I just feel so angry that these animal rights activists have won"
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What cruelty? It's just a few little rodents who might help us cure cancer by dying horribly.
DoUsAFavour said:
You *should* get severe sentences for doing shit like digging up someone's granny in an attempt to make people change their behaviour. Fuck 'em. No sympathy.
Got no problem with peaceful protest & picketing, & can understand how one might gain a moral perspective which justifies violence etc., but still think it's utterly wrong.
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... & further does nowt to help their cause; in fact prob. marginalises the whole thing further. Much more likely to make people sympathise with the guineapig breeders than make them think about animal cruelty, & the only way you're really going to change any of this is if you get mass support.
Donna Ferentes
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This is true.Fruitloop said:
Fruitloop said:
There's a big diff. between being a 'protestor' & violently attacking people & digging up their relatives' remains. Haven't seen the beeb portraying peaceful protestors in any particularly negative light, & if they condemn violent protest, that's just reflecting the views of society at large, not some crazy-ass conspiracy to suppress all dissent (well, imho anyway! feel free to explain why i'm wrong if you think i am)
Oh, & nowhere do they say they're terrorists... fact, they're very cautious about calling anyone a terrorist, to the annoyance of many right-wing sites.
Yes, and the state's got no problem with peaceful protesting because it presents no challenge. If you're fighting a violent system, how can you expect to do so by sitting in the road or supergluing your face to a tree or whatever. Violence is a tactic, often a successful one.grosun said:
Donna Ferentes
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Particularly when employed against helpless individuals.Thora said:
There's definitely been moves from government, supported slightly erraticly by the media, to narrow the definition of what constitutes acceptable protest. This article seems pretty typical;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/902751.stm
In addition to this we've increasingly seen anti-terror legislation used against protestors and new surveillance powers will doubtless be used in the same way. However, I think that what the govt has done so far is the tip of the iceberg in terms of what they have planned, and these fucking AR cretins are playing right into their hands.
Donna Ferentes
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Jesus. You really do think you're God, don't you. How utterly vile.Thora said:
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Not right, just irresponsible, stupid and wicked.Thora said:Not God, just right
Fruitloop said:
Agreed; the govt. definitely seems to have an agenda towards trying to criminalise perfectly peaceful protest; their stupid outlawing of protest in parliament sq. for one. I'm in no way suggesting they don't have a sinister authoritarian bent.
& yeah, I think you're right about the AR peeps playing into their hands. Not sure about the media colluding tho', beyond just reporting what's going on, unless the facts they're reporting in that article are dubious (which I'm perfectly prepared to believe, but would need evidence).
On the "conflating protest with terrorism" front tho', if 'protestors' get into sending letter bombs, blowing up cars or threatening people with death, I think it's them who're flirting with that line, more than the media.
Whenever you are ready Thora, how about answering this question:
You are some kind of anarchist aren't you? If you don't like the word "authority", how exactly do you go about phrasing the concept that it is wrong for people to go around mugging and beating people up, for example for racist reasons (I assume you think that it is wrong)?
Or are you just someone who likes to be a "rebel" as a fashionably ironic shocking pose while you get through university and before you go off to some rah-rah job in publishing?
Do you even really believe in animal rights? Or is it yet another rebellious lifetsyle pose to piss off your country-sports mummy and daddy (and/or annoy people here on urban)?
Also, have you really super-glued your face to a tree? Wow! Wicked 'ardcore innit lolooloollo!!!111!!1!!!!1!!
You are some kind of anarchist aren't you? If you don't like the word "authority", how exactly do you go about phrasing the concept that it is wrong for people to go around mugging and beating people up, for example for racist reasons (I assume you think that it is wrong)?
Or are you just someone who likes to be a "rebel" as a fashionably ironic shocking pose while you get through university and before you go off to some rah-rah job in publishing?
Do you even really believe in animal rights? Or is it yet another rebellious lifetsyle pose to piss off your country-sports mummy and daddy (and/or annoy people here on urban)?
Also, have you really super-glued your face to a tree? Wow! Wicked 'ardcore innit lolooloollo!!!111!!1!!!!1!!
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Thora said:
Respect the tactics of a bunch of demented bunny huggers. Plenty of other more sensible campaigns they could get involved in. And whilst they're happy to lay into those involved in experimentation on animals that lead to more effective medical treatments, you never see them digging up the grannies of Dewhurt customers who just eat meat for fun. As a personal protest against this "victory", and I shall also stop buying free-range eggs, and start revelling in the suffering the little cluckers who provide the raw materials for my omlettes.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Belushi said:
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
easy g said:
Who do you reckon did it then?
easy g said:
Weird though... I'm assuming there's at least proof that *someone* dug up someone's remains... in which case I'm taking it as safe to assume that either
a) it's some loony smear campaign by the secret services or other people with an interest in discrediting AR activists (possible, I guess... depending what level of conspiracy theories you're comfortable with), or
b) it's AR activists.
oh, or the long-shot bet: c) it's someone who wanted to indulge in a spot of munging (or whatever the term was), or just random grave-robbing.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Whether AR activists did it or not is a moot point really - many AR activists and their supporters are, whilst distancing themselves from the crime, seem to be suggesting that it is an acceptable tactic.
Sorry TeeJay - wasn't ignoring you deliberately.TeeJay said:
I indeed think it's wrong, and would have no objection to some mob justice dealing with the problem. I would love to see a world where communities deal with problems of anti-social behave themselves.TeeJay said:
I am indeed very rebellious, but intend to grow up and get a job in local government by the time I'm 30.TeeJay said:
Actually no, I don't believe in animal rights - I think "rights" as a concept is ridiculous. I think the way animals are treated by the research, fur and agricultural industries is shit, but I don't think they are problems that can be tackled in isolation from capitalism etc. IMO the domination/exploitation of animals and the environment is inextricably linked to the domination/exploitation of humans.
However, I do think the AR movement is really interesting tactically, and I certainly won't condemn the tactics they use - of targetting support companies or shareholders for example. I'd like to see if those tactics could be used successfully against other targets.
No, I haven't. I was simply using that as an example of ineffective fluffy protest. It was an exageration to make a point - as far as I know, no one has actually superglued their face to a tree.TeeJay said:
Donna Ferentes
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And tell me, do you think that if other people have moral objections to what you do, it would be all right for them to firebomb where you live?Thora said:
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