"I ignore the strange resemblance... to urban75"

[liampreston]

Originally Posted by Badger Kitten
That is my problem with them ( conspiracy theorists) , there is no critical thinking.

I can perfectly well entertain the idea that there are symbols and portents everywhere and that wicked conspiracies and power-seeking strategies exist. I did a year-long course in transpersonal psychology FFS, and paid for the privilege, and am no stranger to writing pretentious shite about symbols and the unconscious ego and the spititual realm. What is so irritating is that there is no attempt at analysis or even Occams razor with the conspiranoids. There is a deliberate intent to find portents and hidden symbols everywhere and to make everything fit a particular world view. It's like being a fundementalist Christian or Muslim and seeing all non-Christians/non-Muslims as evil, or a racist seeing everyone ''native'' and brown as inferior: basic, loathesome binary polarisation. Demonisation of the Other. Fundementalist lazy elitist thinking. That is how violent conflict starts, ( I'm right, you're wrong) but any argument should stand up to critical analysis, and conspiracy theories just don't , because they are held as an emotional article of faith, not investiaged as a rational & considered understanding.

(And I have seen how my fury at the conspracy theorists furious attacks on me quickly degenerated into a vicious war or words and threats, which I am appalled by, and wish had never happened. I can see how emotive all this is).

I have entertained the idea that the US Govt blew up the Twin towers, or let it happen, as the outcome fitted their own agenda, and was certainly exploited for said agenda, as I have with July 7th rush to ID cards and draconian anti-civil liberites legislation. But the theory that pissed off fundementalist jihadist Islamists did it is much much more compelling than the idea that it was orchestrated as some grand design to get us all into V for Vendetta -land. However unpleasant it is to take on board, and whatever that means for our sense of safety and comprehension of security, it was angry young men filled with a toxic idealogy that dunnit.

Ditto Bohemian Grove - yes, they might be worshipping a Satanic owl, but the evidence that is an old fart frat-boy networking summer camp is much more compelling.

And so on and so on. I like symbology, Jung, ancient myths and religions, theology and so on. I have spent time and money studying them. One thing it has taught me is that you can make anything mean anything, depending on who is marking the essay and what they want to hear. But to try to construct a whole personal belief system on such shakey ground, that cannot be questioned, is just barmy.People get an emotional security from having all the answers and being seekers and initiates of some privileged truth. But recognise that as a social need, not an absolute truth.

Rant over. Bit pissed. Sorry.

One of the best posts on the subject I have read for a while.

 

[Yossarian]

The Metal Council has got it in for all those guys abusing the Sign of the Goat...

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42365

 

[Jazzz]

Anyone who believes anything on the prisonplanet website has to be the type of mewling hypochondriac gullible kid who gets laughed at lots...

I guess so... our resident playground expert has spoken!

 

[pk]

I guess so... our resident playground expert has spoken!

And what is your area of expertise, Jazzzbot?

Being a gullible clown happy to repeat anti-semitic shite from dodgy websites?

 

[smokedout]

Silvio Berlusconi does not love you... I guess he must be a Longhorns fan? Or maybe his hand 'accidentally' was in that positio

had it ever occured to you it might be a joke

along the same lines as anarchos referring to themselves as baby eating anarchists

 

[kyser_soze]

Have you also seen the HSBC ad where it points out that it means many different things in different places around the world but is a universally used hand symbol?

 

[editor]

And I can't think Jazzz really believes the stuff he posts

So you think he's a liar, then?

 

[editor]

Similar, but the thumb is (I understand) extended.

Silvio Berlusconi does not love you...

Looks like a Photoshop job to me.

 

[Fruitloop]

Is that not the 'cornuto' - the international symbol that someone else is fucking your wife?

 

[Jazzz]

Is that not the 'cornuto' - the international symbol that someone else is fucking your wife?

That's wikipedia's take on the Berlusconi pic. I would go for a more satanic explanation though.

 

[editor]

I would go for a more satanic explanation though.

And you evidence to support that utterly bizarre conclusion is.....?

 

[Blagsta]

...being delusional and clinically paranoid?

 

[Jazzz]

I have already explained my reasoning which directly pertains to these hand signals. Other stuff is beyond the scope of this thread.

 

[Blagsta]

You're proper nuts you are.

 

[frogwoman]

i can't believe this therad ...

that sign just means that something rocks, like if you're at a concert or something and you want to show your appreciation for the music, nothing to do with satan or satanists at all !

 

[ViolentPanda]

And you evidence to support that utterly bizarre conclusion is.....?

Jazzz's evidence is probably that Bill and Ted made the sign to Satan in "Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey".

"Sign of the Devil, dude!"

 

[Jazzz]

i can't believe this therad ...

that sign just means that something rocks, like if you're at a concert or something and you want to show your appreciation for the music, nothing to do with satan or satanists at all !

Right I'm sure froggie. These guys must be rocking out I guess

 

[editor]

These guys must be rocking out I guess

Nice one! A photo with no context whatsoever!

 

[editor]

OMG! This must be - according to Jazzz - a Satanist's ball!
http://www.ignitor.org/IMAGES/Monterrey/56_Showcrowd.jpg

And here's more!

And look! More! Ol' Nick must be taking over the planet!

 

[frogwoman]

Right I'm sure froggie. These guys must be rocking out I guess

thats weird lol ...

but how dyou know there wasnt something really good playing in the background?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

in metal tersm it does reffer directly to satan originally used by bands like slayer through to danzig etc then taken up as a piss take of the type of music which those bands represented by later bands to symbolise naff rawk music and finally taken to be an ironic statement as in that rawks

the symbol supposedly being that three 6's can be formed with with your hand in that position and supposedly according to xtain mythology 666 is the number of the beast; however as the beast was actually the name of the roman emporer in biblical times and 666 was the number of his legion (and it being a given that satan never commanded an imperial roman army...) we can assume that the whole concept of xtian satanic beleifs and therefore the cults misapporpreations of the symbols is wildly misplaced and negiated by histroical fact as opposed to this mythological superstition...

fuck sake if any one who beleived this shit did some basic theological research into the number of the beast they'd find this out in seconds flat...

have your faith, your mythology, you rituals fine but find out why they have the articles they have otherwise you are no better than any other western bastardising culture misappropreating elements from other cultures and intergrating them into your own cos they are 'ethnic' or 'cool' etc...

 

[Jazzz]

er yes Garfield

( )

Here's a nice pic of Berlusconi's house. Kind of thing you'd want on your driveway, a snake eating a human, isn't it?

 

[editor]

Here's a nice pic of Berlusconi's house. Kind of thing you'd want on your driveway, a snake eating a human, isn't it?

And it's yet another source-free, context-free photo!

Who took the photo? Where was it posted originally? How do you know it hasn't been edited?

And what do you think it all means? Is he another one of Saaaaatan's children?!!!!

 

[Jazzz]

source. The symbol is very similar to the Alfa Romeo shield, although it's far clearer that a human is being devoured.

 

[editor]

source

And why, pray tell, do you blindy accept a source-free image posted up on a super-deluxe fruitloop site stuffed full of utterly bonkers UFO drivel for the terminally gullible like THE SECRET OF STARGATE EDINBURGH

Events that will happen in Edinburgh, Scotland, within the next 10 years will shape the final destiny of mankind on this planet. The descent of the returned Angels of the Covenant, the Elohim is witnessed every night over the Scottish Capital Edinburgh. It is though the very forces of Darkness that billet their HQ's in Edinburgh are finally confronted by the Angels of Christ in a most apocalyptic manner. It is as if a Star out of Jacob has returned to turn the tide...

There are people in town who have lived for thousands of years and can read minds, so there must be over 20 Elohim in Edinburgh - 20 very powerful people at least on the side of good since this area is their home base.
It may ultimately be the human race that are the illegal aliens on this planet the unwanted leftovers of an illegal colony. Although all this materialisation and longevity lets us ask the question - what worlds were we all living on 100 years ago today.

 

[Jazzz]

whale is a massive repository of stuff. Some of which I think is very good, others which may be nonsense. I have no idea where that bit came from or what it is about.

But I believe the picture is genuine, I've seen it used elsewhere (well, an Icke seminar) and I guess we can all see the similarity to the Alfa Romeo logo.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

source. The symbol is very similar to the Alfa Romeo shield, although it's far clearer that a human is being devoured.

check your facts ... http://www.alfa.co.nz/history/history_1910_1920.htm

and

http://www.homdrum.no/alfa/alfahistory_logo.html

 

[pk]

have your faith, your mythology, you rituals fine but find out why they have the articles they have otherwise you are no better than any other western bastardising culture misappropreating elements from other cultures and intergrating them into your own cos they are 'ethnic' or 'cool' etc...

Life must be so easy for you now that you've "come out" as a bisexual Arab, Garf...

 

[pk]

This is deadly serious.