foreigner said:
I'm far from implying that you don't have a brain, on the contrary I'm always abit puzzled by intelligent people who embrace a religion.
Only a display of an even greater arrogance. Probably you aren't even aware of this yourself.
And this thread is a perfect example of what confuses me, if you beleive in islam, then you beleive allah created everything, and that whatever in all of creation happens is the will of allah.
That has nothing to do with the subject. If you insist to give it a theological context, then you can place it under "humans and free will" and its interpretations.
Are you saying that there is the possibilitay that allah created humans as parasites?
No, I say the human species behaves parasitical , increasing this behaviour gradually over the last few centuries.
I don't know much about islam but that doesn't sound like a very islamic attitude to take towards human beings which are (presumably) amongst allahs finest creations.
As such they are also made responsible for all others.
You also seem to suggest in your question that humanity is acting as a force of evil, or at any rate as a force for destruction.
One can hardly deny that this is a fact.
Again, there's a disjoint there between the presumed attitude of a person who beleives in an all-powerful diety who's will is a positive force in the universe, and the suggestion that mankind might be no-good, and overall destructive.
There is no disjoint at all.
Also you suggest that the final fate of humanity will be unaffected by the diety you beleive in,
I suggest no such thing.
surely a good religionist would beleive that the diety will be the final judge in the outcome of the species, and that all other considerations are subservient to that judgement.
Of course.
That doesn't mean I can't reason from a standpoint that humans act like parasites. I didn't say anywhere they are God.
You've made no mention of the compatability with islam and sustainable society, and if islam is true then the islamic way should be the only real context by which a beleiver need to consider the long term fate of humanity and our environment.
You are in no way authorized to say how I should or should not reason. I'm quite capable of constructing the frame of my reasonings myself, thank you, and by the way, your perception of religion (and religious people) in general seems to be a rather ignorant and blindfolded one.
Basicaly I think this is he kind of question a muslim or xtian or jew cannot pose without the assumption of their respective dietys being a major influence on the nature of the answer.
You are wrong. Would I have posted this thread on the "philosophy" forum
and with the intention to make it a "religious" debate, it would require a slightly different approach.
So it surprised me that there was no mention of allah or god in the OP, and a generaly un-islamic framing of the quality of (what muslims beleive to be) allahs finest creations.
I didn't make this thread to preach about Islam. Everyone familiar with my posts know who/what I am.
Would I be on a Muslim forum or addressing myself to an exclusively Muslim community, the OP would approach the issue with the addition of the Islamic point of view. That is not my intention and I am not inclined to change this.
No doubt you'll say something about free-will and disresponsabilify the point, like religion always does.
No doubt it was your intention to make "religion" the focus of this thread, instead of answering the simple questions in the OP. If you have nothing to answer on them, kindly read without comment or ignore. Thank you.
salaam.
