I fucking love Ken Livingstone

[untethered]

Will he be taking his nanny with him on the stump again?

And his Bentley.

 

[Geoff Collier]

I'd rather boil my bollocks, while they're still in my scrotum, in bitumen than give Lindsey "they're council estate scum" German a vote.

Do you mean Julie Waterson? She's the one who's alleged to have said that. Not that she did, though, but do you think she meant when she didn't say it?

 

[audiotech]

I'd rather boil my bollocks, while they're still in my scrotum, in bitumen than give Lindsey "they're council estate scum" German a vote.

You have been ill informed VP.

 

[DexterTCN]

You have been ill informed VP.

VP should have to boil his bollocks in bitumen then!

 

[editor]

Didn't Mussolini get the trains to run on time?

If you're going to pipe up with irrelevant guff, at least make the effort to check the claim first.

http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.htm

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do you mean Julie Waterson? She's the one who's alleged to have said that. Not that she did, though, but do you think she meant when she didn't say it?

My apologies, I named the wrong middle-class reactionary masquerading as a vanguardist.

As for what was said, it means whatever the individual interpreter spins it to mean, surely?

 

[Irenick]

I'm picking up a vibe here.

You don't like Lord Livingstone of Newtpond, do you?

Could you put me down as an undecided, please?

 

[Geoff kerr-morg]

Someone wrote,

Originally Posted by ViolentPanda
I'd rather boil my bollocks, while they're still in my scrotum, in bitumen than give Lindsey "they're council estate scum" German a vote.

This I'd pay to watch

 

[ViolentPanda]

Someone wrote,

Originally Posted by ViolentPanda
I'd rather boil my bollocks, while they're still in my scrotum, in bitumen than give Lindsey "they're council estate scum" German a vote.

This I'd pay to watch

I( was going to ask "doesn't that make you some kind of pervert", but on reflection, given your touting of Respect as a viable recipient for a vote earlier, I don't actually need to ask whether you're a pervert, do I?

Not when you've already shown us the proof, like.

 

[audiotech]

As for what was said, it means whatever the individual interpreter spins it to mean, surely?

Nope, a reader can also make up their own mind and spin it too - with nobs on.

 

[Geoff kerr-morg]

Violent Panda, I RESEMBLE that remark

 

[ViolentPanda]

Violent Panda, I RESEMBLE that remark

You mean you ARE a pervert?

 

[Maggot]

Yup. Ken 'Browntounge' Livingstone.

When I think of all the energy that committed progressive people wasted on that little shit. If he isn't buttering up some antisemitic and Queer hating muslim nutjob he is licking the arses of those wankers who are going to do more damage to the fabric of East Londons communities than the fucking Luftwaffe did.

How has meeting with a muslim with less than liberal views on homosexuality, done any harm?

 

[Maggot]

Ken has, and always will put the Labour Party above all things; apart from his ego, which is as big as the fucking Ritz! – the shit cunt!

Even when he ran as an independent candidate?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

How has meeting with a muslim with less than liberal views on homosexuality, done any harm?

I think you use the term less than liberal views as a bit of a fucking understatement.

The fact that Livingstone can even think of sitting down with a wanker like Al-Qadawi and then a few months later spout plattitudes at a GLA LGBT event speaks volumes about the man.

If Livingstone had met the bloke then publicly repudiated AQ's bigoted views then it might have been more acceptable.

Much better would have been a high profile courting of the growing but scared for their lives band of progressive muslims.

Instead of doing what was right he sat down with an utter bastard and didn't give a toss.

As regards my 'luftwaffe' comment it applies equally to all the band of 'regenerators' that East London has been afflicted with. The Olympics site housed many small businesses that actually fucking made things rather than just provided burgers to passing punters. All these sustainable businesses were re located into areas that were not as convenient and for what? A two week wankfest for the rich and the polticians and their hangers on, more yuppie housing, more low grade jobs.

I gave livingstone the benefit of the doubt when he ran as an independent the first time but not now. He has proved himself to be scum.

 

[London_Calling]

I think Livingstone lives in a world more real than most of the people here.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I think Livingstone lives in a world more real than most of the people here.

Bollocks.

Its those of us on the ground who have to live with Livingstones policies that are in a much more real position to judge.

The mans only political principle is his own skin. Blair Light I'm afraid.

 

[London_Calling]

Why would you think he has "political principles", what world is that ?


He's a business manager, and his business is London - and he'll keep the job as long as he keeps sufficient of the shareholders relatively happy.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Why would you think he has "political principles", what world is that ?


He's a business manager, and his business is London - and he'll keep the job as long as he keeps sufficient of the shareholders relatively happy.

The shithead pushed the idea that he was some sort of alternative when he plainly wasn't.

You have a catalogue of disasters from Livingstone for example:

The congestion charge, badly thought out tax rather then a genuine way of bringing down traffic volume.

Going along with the govts privatisation scheme for LU.

The Olympics

Free travel for schoolchildren - anyone else noticed the rise is anti social behavour on busses since this policy.

Authoritarianism

Not speaking out against Robin Wales's racist politically motivated parking policies in Newham

Not jumping on Robin Wales's plan to give park wardens batons.

Hanging round with scum like AlQadawi

I used to support him never again.

 

[JoePolitix]

The shithead pushed the idea that he was some sort of alternative when he plainly wasn't.

You have a catalogue of disasters from Livingstone for example:

The congestion charge, badly thought out tax rather then a genuine way of bringing down traffic volume.

Going along with the govts privatisation scheme for LU.

The Olympics

Free travel for schoolchildren - anyone else noticed the rise is anti social behavour on busses since this policy.

Authoritarianism

Not speaking out against Robin Wales's racist politically motivated parking policies in Newham

Not jumping on Robin Wales's plan to give park wardens batons.

Hanging round with scum like AlQadawi

I used to support him never again.

What a load of tory wank.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

What a load of tory wank.

First of all I'm not a fucking Tory, secondly why is it 'tory wank'

The Congestion charge HAS been a disaster or if you want to be kind a very partial success.

Hanging round with anti gay / anti women muslim preachers really does wonders for a politicians progressive credentials doesn't it.

Newham Council HAS been running a parking control system where enforcement and hours of operation are more liberal in the muslim areas than in the majority white areas such as Beckton. If Livingstone is as progressive as he claims then surely he should be doing some thing about this sort of poltiically motivated activity by Newham Council. BTW I'd be equally pissed off if the situation was the other way round and the white areas had a more liberal regime.

The Olympics is going to be a disaster for locals (although not for speculators)

Robin Wales is going to euip untrained park wardens with batons.

Others have also complained about the increase in anti social actrivity on busses.

So where is the tory wank Joe? I'm not a tory just a concerned citizen.

 

[Fruitloop]

I don't think Livingstone and Al Qadawi are exactly hanging out, are they? Like, chillin' in each other's yards an shit?

For what it's worth, I reckon that Livingstone's progressive credentials (blech!) are pretty well established.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I don't think Livingstone and Al Qadawi are exactly hanging out, are they? Like, chillin' in each other's yards an shit?

Good point.

But the key thing is a politician in Livingstones position where his every move is examined should be careful with whom they meet and to whom they endorse.

FFS the progressive muslims in the UK are really sidelined becuase the fuckwits shout the loudest. What sort of a message did Livingstone send to progressive muslims and their position in the UK and the support they should expect from UK institutions when he sat down with AQ. IMO it sent the message that progressive muslims should not be listened to and were not important.

 

[London_Calling]

The shithead pushed the idea that he was some sort of alternative when he plainly wasn't.

"But I thought you loved me, that's why I slept with you . . . . "


You make me feel it's the last century again.

 

[Fruitloop]

I do agree about the Olympics. Is Livingstone to blame though? I reckon if he had been the one to stick his head above the parapet and say what a crap idea it was for ordinary folk in London he would have got pilloried for it by the press and other politicians.

 

[Isambard]

Support him on the CENTRAL, not K&C, Congestion Charge and buses.
The whole Olympic thing is shite but by the time he went for that he'd already painted himself into a corner by re-joining the Labour Party. That and encouraging scabbing on the tube means i wouldn't vote for him if I was a voter in London.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I do agree about the Olympics. Is Livingstone to blame though? I reckon if he had been the one to stick his head above the parapet and say what a crap idea it was for ordinary folk in London he would have got pilloried for it by the press and other politicians.

If he could have spoken out against it and outlined alternatives (which there are) then he could have brought a fair amount of the electorate with him. He could have weathered the storm.

<cynical mode> I wonder how much Livingstone is going to trouser because of his championing of the Olympics - some nice tidy well paying quango job when the tme comes I reckon.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The shithead pushed the idea that he was some sort of alternative when he plainly wasn't.

You have a catalogue of disasters from Livingstone for example:

The congestion charge, badly thought out tax rather then a genuine way of bringing down traffic volume.

Nonetheless, it has reduced traffic volume, hasn't it?

Going along with the govts privatisation scheme for LU.

Yeah, that's right, he "went along" so much that he took his fight all the way to the house of lords to try and stop the PFI going ahead.

The Olympics

nolo contendere.

Free travel for schoolchildren - anyone else noticed the rise is anti social behavour on busses since this policy.

Nope.

Authoritarianism

Examples?

Not speaking out against Robin Wales's racist politically motivated parking policies in Newham

Not jumping on Robin Wales's plan to give park wardens batons.

Neither of which are within his power to do, as I'm fairly sure you already know.

Hanging round with scum like AlQadawi

People said similar when he "hung around" with members of the PIRA. perhaps he's taking a "long view"?

I used to support him never again.

I hope you haven't decided that on the basis of the load of old muppet-spunk you've written above, because a quarter of it is prejudice, half of it is factually incorrect, and the rest, except for the point about the Olympics, is gibberish.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Nonetheless, it has reduced traffic volume, hasn't it?

Yes but at what cost? It wasn't coherent. If it had been brought in with a system of oyster cards for taxi's type scheme then the objections for the occasional London driver would have been met. Most of the money hasn't gone on improving London it has gone into the pockets of Capita etc.

Yeah, that's right, he "went along" so much that he took his fight all the way to the house of lords to try and stop the PFI going ahead.

There was much more he could have done.

nolo contendere.


I'm glad we agree on something.

Nope.

Maybe you should go to B and D and see what is happening on the busses. I don't travel on the buses so much in my new area so I cant comment on north London.

Examples?

Congestion charge and the accompaning fake consultations.

Neither of which are within his power to do, as I'm fairly sure you already know.

I disagree with that. Part of the responsibilities of the Mayor are to promote equality of opportunity. If a borough is flouting that for electoral reasons (the white majority parts of Newham were the ones who voted against Robin Wales) then he is perfectly entitled to speak out.

People said similar when he "hung around" with members of the PIRA. perhaps he's taking a "long view"?

I certainly hope not. I don't want people like AQ to have even a sniff of power in the UK. We've fought long and hard for rights and freedoms why should we sit back and watch them being undermined by the followers of AQ.

I hope you haven't decided that on the basis of the load of old muppet-spunk you've written above, because a quarter of it is prejudice, half of it is factually incorrect, and the rest, except for the point about the Olympics, is gibberish.

Might be gibberish from your pov but its what I'm being told and and what I'm seeing also I'm watching the affects on my own family of Livingstones poliices.

 

[London_Calling]

The Congestion charge HAS been a disaster or if you want to be kind a very partial success.

Fwiw, this was my favourite.