I corrupted a vegetarian.

[editor]

Rugby forwards, weighlifters, most american footballers aren't exactly a 'microscopic niche' are they, no matter how nonsensically you want to summarise things.

Apart from the fact that you've no real idea how many 'Rugby forwards, weighlifters, and american footballers' are actually veggie, I'm astonished that you're placing your faith in that one single article written by the bloke that runs the site.

And if their diet is supposely inferior, how do your explain the achievements of vegan bodybuilders?

This list of high achieving veggie/veganathletes simply rubbishes your claims:

Andreas Cahling
Swedish champion bodybuilder, Olympic gold medallist in the ski jump

Chris Campbell
Olympic wrestling champion

Ruth Heidrich
Six-time Ironwoman, USA track and field Master's champion

Keith Holmes
World-champion middleweight boxer

Peter Hussing
European super heavy-weight boxing champion

Sixto Linares
World record holder, 24-hour triathlon

Bill Manetti
Power-lifting champion

Bill Pearl
Four-time Mr. Universe

Stan Price
World weightlifting record holder, bench press

Dave Scott
Six-time winner of the Ironman triathlon

http://www.veganathlete.com/vegan_vegetarian_athletes.php

 

[tarannau]

It's not me claiming any inherent superiority in sporting ability because of diet, but tarannau has been insisting that there are some sports where veggies won't be able to perform as well as meat eaters.
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No I bleeding haven't! Care to show me where I've said that?

There are, however, some sports and positions where'd it'd be bloody difficult to sustain an optimum diet from vegetarian sources (without shedloads of supps) and there are accordingly few, if any, successful examples of sportsmen in those areas. Fair enough?

What did you think of the links and the surprisingly strong connection between vegetarian sportswomen and amenorrhea for example?

 

[tarannau]

Christ - more names from the 1950s (Cahling FFS) and thereabouts. Boy, you are winning me over with your timely and utterly relevant recycled (and not all desperate seeming) lists.

You'll be bringing up Charles Atlas next, notwithstanding the point that (a) it's a very different era and (B) the fact that I've specifically mentioned that supplements and chemicals, widely used in bodybuilding/powerlifting, can make the basic diet a little more irrelevant than usual. Once again the absence of recent power athletes is very noticeable.

I don't know why you've a bee in your bonnet about this one. Nobody is trying to belittle a veggie diet, more point out that different sportsmen have different needs, some of which require more protein than others. And are you going to deny that meat is a higher quality and much more efficient source of protein than the vast, vast majority of veggie sources then? Show me the science for a change...

 

[editor]

I don't know why you've a bee in your bonnet about this one. Nobody is trying to belittle a veggie diet, more point out that different sportsmen have different needs, some of which require more protein than others. And are you going to deny that meat is a higher quality and much more efficient source of protein than the vast, vast majority of veggie sources then? Show me the science for a change...

You claimed that "vegetarian diets are fine for the bulk of sportsmen."

In response, I asked you to point which sportsmen a veggie diet would not be suitable for and to provide some proper scientific research to back up that assertion.

And you know what? Despite your endless bluster and dismissing of respected, high achieving athletes, you still haven't done that.

Will you do it now please?

Dredging up one athlete's drug problems really was the pits, by the way.

 

[tarannau]

You claimed that "vegetarian diets are fine for the bulk of sportsmen."

In response, I asked you to point which sportsmen a veggie diet would not be suitable for and to provide some proper scientific research to back up that assertion.

And you know what? Despite your endless bluster and dismissing of respected, high achieving athletes, you still haven't done that.

Dredging up one athlete's drug problems really was the pits, by the way.

Bringing that unsuccessful athlete to back of your theory was the height of desperation you mean. Common knowledge - he was a Heisman bust, probably put on that list before he reached the pits of the Canadian Football league.

I don't know how much more research you need to be honest - the link provided was comprehensive, well regarded and about as uncontroversial as you get in nutrition circles. We can keep on posting on links but I suspect that little would satisty you. I've also given practical examples of what a vegetarian would need to eat to replace the (meat) protein in a fairly typical high protein diet.

And in return your argument seems to be to point to a weird, slightly random and outdated list of outdated athletes and keep on hectoring. Where's your scientific or practical contribution to the thread?