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I corrupted a vegetarian.

I am the only person in my family (Mrs V aside) who knows that my sis is not really a veggie. She was bought up a veggie by our veggie parents but is not. But she won't tell them. I think that's sad but I understand - I wouldn't, the wailing and a gnashing of teeth would go on for months.

She still gets embarrassed ordering meat when we eat out, but I really don't care. Her choice and all that.

Little Vipper (4) is veggie and is asking about what meat tastes like. There are lots of conversations in my house at the moment about whether she is old enough to try some (she wants to). A tough one. I think she will try some when she is old enough to buy her own food out anyway, or at a party. It's her call, however our house is veggie. She can eat meat out if she wishes once she is old enough, but we won't be cooking it for her.
 
Yossarian said:
Prawns: The Gateway Drug! :eek:

It's terrible. The kids have a couple of shell on prawns and the next thing you know they are mugging their grannies to buy langoustines. :eek:
 
Come to think of it, I ate shellfish when I was a child - and multiple years later, I started smoking and drinking and taking drugs! I'd never made the connection before! :eek:

I guess I can look forward to being interviewed for the Panorama special: "How Crustaceans Corrupt".
 
both the kids in question are secondary school age anyway, so to imagine they aren't scoffing burgers on a daily basis should they so wish is a triffle naive.:D
 
Yossarian said:
I can't answer for whatshisname there, but I expect the answer to that question might be that cocaine and heroin are dangerous, illegal drugs, whereas king prawns are tasty sea creatures.
The guy's a dickhead for 'sneaking in' food against the parents' wishes, regardless of how 'tasty' the food is.
 
TopCat said:
It took over two years but gloworm now attacks a roast like she is famished and keeps going 'till the bone is thoroughly gnawed!

:D
Shame you couldn't teach her any manners at the same time you 'corrupted' her, then.
 
editor said:
Hey! Why not smuggle some cocaine or heroin in too because you don't agree with their parent's decisions!

meat is not a harmful substance and i do care about them.
if it was a burger or a hotdog, then that's a different scenario.
as for drugs...well...i'm their uncle not a pusher...
 
bluestreak said:
But I think there is no moral argument for meat-eating, so I would. But he is a shitwit, just search his posts.

my posts consists of fitness training, vietnamese foods and sparring with guys from south london.

if that's a shitwit then so be it.
 
I used to know this vegetarian couple and the guy would hit McDonalds (and he was all right on and stuff too) with a vengance when we went out away from his missus.


lol
 
This thread reminds me of the episode of the Modern Parents in Viz where the parents feed their kids nut roast and lentils for xmas dinner but they end up trapped in the middle of a freezing pond while trying to reenact a Inuit xmas adventure and the kids escape to their uncles for roast turkey with all the trimmings

Just wanted to share that :)
 
Yossarian said:
You want to point to any post on this thread that even remotely suggests anyone enforcing their taste on somebody else, or was your post there just some kind of Pavlovian response to people eating meat?
I eat meat all the time. Sorry if I didn't conform to your prejudices.
 
Mrs M said:
....I see the potential for this thread getting out of hand....

:confused:

Don't think it has so far, despite the slightly provocative OP! :)


Yossarian said:
Is is 'as bad' as smuggling in heroin and cocaine, or 'worse' - or are you 'hyperinflating' things?



I'd still be very interested to hear an answer to this comparison!

I feel it's irrelevant/incomparable, but I'm not a vegetarian/vegan tbf.....
 
Well if a parent has decided on a diet for their children, for moral, religious, cultural or health reasons, surely it's no one else's business, and to offer them something else out of mischief is just plain stoopid.

Just seems like some people think it's funny, or some kind of victory to make a veggie eat meat, knowingly or not. I suppose the same kind of people would find it hilarious to slip bacon into a Jew's food, or gob in someone's meal.
 
moose said:
Just seems like some people think it's funny, or some kind of victory to make a veggie eat meat, knowingly or not. I suppose the same kind of people would find it hilarious to slip bacon into a Jew's food, or gob in someone's meal.

nah not really.

if i wasn't supplying them meat, then they'd have bought some at the shops - except it was xmas day...

(and for the record, my sister is a veggie and husband is a hindu - not 'the modern parents' as seen in Viz - though they did eat a nutroast).
 
moose said:
I suppose the same kind of people would find it hilarious to slip bacon into a Jew's food, or gob in someone's meal.

Not really the same thing though, is it? He's not forcing the kids to consume beasts of the land and the sea.
 
I could perhaps agree with all of that moose (the age issue is far more interesting than any other argument to me here), but I still find it exceptionally stupid....moving the argument off into surreal territory......to compare it to slipping addicitive drugs to children.

(It was probably badly worded, but I thought Charlies post posed an interesting dilemma.)
 
That's really sad. There was an article on the radio the other day saying we'll all have to be vegetarians or vegans eventually as meat production is unsubstainable. The land for animal feed will need to be used for humans.
I'd love to have the will power and cooking skills to be a veggie. My ex girlfriend was a veggie (which as you know virtually made me a veggie too) and she had the loveliest nature of anyone I've ever met and I don't think that the diet and nature were unconnected.
I can understand why someone would not want a child to be vegetarian because of the need for protein for growth but not for any other reason.
 
brianx said:
My ex girlfriend was a veggie (which as you know virtually made me a veggie too) and she had the loveliest nature of anyone I've ever met and I don't think that the diet and nature were unconnected.


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(Sorry :rolleyes: :( )






:p :D
 
Drain Bamage said:
I used to know this vegetarian couple and the guy would hit McDonalds (and he was all right on and stuff too) with a vengance when we went out away from his missus.
Then he wasn't a vegetarian. Which rather makes your story look a bit pointless.
 
Going on some of the points raised in this thread would it be ok with people then if non-vegetarian parents insisted that their children should include meat in their diet and not be vegetarian unless outside the house or able to buy and cook their own food ?
 
That's pretty well what my mum did - I could either eat what she prepared or cook my own, which I did from the age of about 13.
 
brianx said:
I can understand why someone would not want a child to be vegetarian because of the need for protein for growth
Geezer, I am sorry if I have misunderstood you, but if you think vegetarian diets are lacking protein then you are very, very, very, very, very ( + very x 100 ) wrong. Maybe you meant you understand that other people think veggie diets lack protein rather than you think that yourself.

It is blindingly obvious that there is plenty of protein to be had from non-meat products such as eggs, cheese and milk. This knowledge is more common than that field in Clapham.

Certain vegetable products are high in protein too, such as beans, lentils, chickpeas, quinoa, nuts, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, sesame seeds, tahini etc. In fact some of these are actually higher in protein than certain types of meat.

Few plant sources contain all of the essential amino acids except for quinoa and hemp seeds. However, when you combine a grain with a pulse then voila, you have all your essential amino acids. So for example, a simple Italian-style lentil (25% protein when dry) crostini (bread flour is about 13% protein) is a simple way of getting all yer essential amino acids.

From what I have read about sports nutrition it is widely agreed that athletes need 1.2-1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight per day. Thus, a 12 stone cycle courier like myself requires approx. 90g-140g of protein per day. Even as a vegan this is a piece of piss to exceed with a good diet. For a vegetarian it would be even easier. Apparently the 'general population' i.e. sedentary people require just 0.6-0.8g per kg per day.

Let me also point out that excessive protein consumption, although rare, can cause dehydration, urinary calcium loss (and thus is linked to osteoporosis) , and kidney problems. Not something the average person has to worry about, but still.
 
Herbsman. said:
Geezer, I am sorry if I have misunderstood you, but if you think vegetarian diets are lacking protein then you are very, very, very, very, very ( + very x 100 ) wrong. Maybe you meant you understand that other people think veggie diets lack protein rather than you think that yourself.

It is blindingly obvious that there is plenty of protein to be had from non-meat products such as eggs, cheese and milk. This knowledge is more common than that field in Clapham.

Certain vegetable products are high in protein too, such as beans, lentils, chickpeas, quinoa, nuts, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, sesame seeds, tahini etc. In fact some of these are actually higher in protein than certain types of meat.

Few plant sources contain all of the essential amino acids except for quinoa and hemp seeds. However, when you combine a grain with a pulse then voila, you have all your essential amino acids. So for example, a simple Italian-style lentil (25% protein when dry) crostini (bread flour is about 13% protein) is a simple way of getting all yer essential amino acids.

From what I have read about sports nutrition it is widely agreed that athletes need 1.2 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight per day. Thus, a 12 stone cyclist like myself requires just over 90g of protein per day. Even as a vegan this is a piece of piss to exceed with a good diet. For a vegetarian it would be even easier.

Let me also point out that excessive protein consumption, although rare, can cause dehydration, urinary calcium loss (and thus is linked to osteoporosis) , and kidney problems. Not something the average person has to worry about, but still.
No Herbsman it wasn't that I think you can't get enough protein from a veggie diet but I've even known people who are vegetarian and were worried about their children being veggie because of the lack of protein and growth.
It's something that's instilled in all of us that we need meet to grow.
 
moose said:
That's pretty well what my mum did - I could either eat what she prepared or cook my own, which I did from the age of about 13.

Did you have to buy, or rob, and then cook your own food?
 
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