Hurrican Katrina: US death toll announced yet?

[butchersapron]

Republican In Name Only?

 

[nino_savatte]

Republican In Name Only?

Aye, it's just a wind up. He's always talking about how he's a member of the RNC.

 

[Loki]

ABC News said last night it was just over 1100.

The number of deaths blamed on the storm nationwide stands at 1,130, making it the third deadliest U.S. storm on record.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/29/hurricanes/index.html

Although I imagine the deaths could go up.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Thats hardly news to me, i've been fighting these courpted good old boys here in oklhoma for 10 years.

BAck in the late 80's they arrested like 95% of the county committioners here.

The largest such scandal in our nations history.

And not much has changed, we have taken a bit more power from them, but have had several recent democratc scandals and such............

If anyone can find a republican state scandle one tenth as bad as this one, and just as recent, i will admit we are just as bad as the democrats.

Just 1/10 as bad.

Good luck.

http://www.beyondweird.com/ufos/Bruce_Walton_The_Underground_Nazi_Invasion_15.html

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050711/hayes

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20040112-0159-connecticutgovernor.html

 

[spring-peeper]

forgot to post source

Most of the deaths are going to be from violence i suspect.

If its only a thousand, thats sill a lot of hell raising and looting.

Despite reports of a freezer containing 30 to 40 corpses, the official combined death toll from the Superdome and Convention Center was 10, according to state officials. Of those deaths, two were believed to have been murders.

"That suggests to me that the claims that there were lots of killings at the two major shelters were exaggerated," New Orleans District Attorney Eddie Jordan told CNN.

Possibly the most gruesome story of a little girl gang-raped then murdered in the Superdome appears to be untrue. Jordan said there had been no reports of rape, while coroners have not found a young girl's body in the sports stadium.

As of Friday, Katrina-related deaths in Louisiana, including those in the city of New Orleans, totaled 932.

source

 

[pbman]

http://www.beyondweird.com/ufos/Bruce_Walton_The_Underground_Nazi_Invasion_15.html

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050711/hayes

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20040112-0159-connecticutgovernor.html

I'm not wading throu all that,I don't deny that some republicans are crooks. But unless one party dominates for 100 plus years, it can't get as bad as oklhoma or lousiana. Are you suggesting that 10% of the committisoners were republican crooks or not?

"In the early 1980s one of the worst scandals in the nation hit Oklahoma local government. By 1984, when federal prosecutors announced an end to their work, more than two hundred people had been convicted in sixty counties. Most were county commissioners who had been taking kickbacks paid by suppliers on orders for county road-building supplies. That corruption could be so wide-spread and long-standing was hard to understand. How could so many "good ol' boys" (usually popular and respected local officials) become so corrupt? Determined to study the problem, Harry Holloway and Frank S. Meyers sifted through a large body of evidence, conducted a public-opinion survey, and interviewed nearly half of all county commissioners in office following the prosecutions.

http://www.ou.edu/cas/psc/bookholloway.htm

You need 20 committioners convicted to hit 10%.

Or comparible.

 

[pbman]

source

Those deaths are inside the superdome patroled by police and guard units.

So it not a good representation of the rest of the city.

 

[spring-peeper]

Dr Cataldie and Frank Minyard, coroner of Orleans Parish — where officials believe most of the Katrina deaths took place — said the date of death for most victims would be registered as August 29, the day the hurricane made landfall.

"It could give the false impression that they all died as a result of the storm — and that whatever actions or mistakes were made by local, federal and state authorities didn't contribute to the deaths," said Michael Baden, former chief medical examiner for New York state.

Dr Minyard said gunshot wounds had been found in seven bodies, and a woman appeared to have been strangled with an extension cord.

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8 out of 783 bodies = .01 percent died from violence in New Orleans

A far cry from other poster's prediction of more deaths due to violence than the storm.

 

[_pH_]

I don't deny that some republicans are crooks.

Can this be placed on a sticky for future use?

 

[pbman]

8 out of 783 bodies = .01 percent died from violence in New Orleans
.

Interesting, did you hear how alabama and mississippr good republican states let the people being rescued take their pets with them?

Only the democrats in lousiana forced people to choose.

 

[spring-peeper]

Interesting, did you hear how alabama and mississippr good republican states let the people being rescued take their pets with them?

Only the democrats in lousiana forced people to choose.

Since this is a thread about the death count, are we doing a death count on pets now or are you derailing?

 

[pbman]

Since this is a thread about the death count, are we doing a death count on pets now or are you derailing?

Topics wander.

And i seriousely doubt the fact that people could take their pets when rescued and not in Lousian would make your baised press.

So if i don't tell you, you would never know................

 

[nino_savatte]

Topics wander.

And i seriousely doubt the fact that people could take their pets when rescued and not in Lousian would make your baised press.

So if i don't tell you, you would never know................

In post 126 you say that "some republicans are crooks"...so you finally admit that criminality isn't confined to one side of the political divide. What took you so long?

I see you're still banging on about the "baised press" too but I suspect this is your way of deflecting attention from the real issues: such as the support at Federal and state level for socially darwinistic policies that keep people in poverty and criminalise them. Your "American Dream" is a nightmare.

 

[pbman]

In post 126 you say that "some republicans are crooks"...so you finally admit that criminality isn't confined to one side of the political divide. What took you so long?
.

Your having massive trouble with perspective.

One or two repubuiblican crooks isn't the equal of 95% of the committioners or the equivilant in lousiana.

 

[spring-peeper]

Your having massive trouble with perspective.

One or two repubuiblican crooks isn't the equal of 95% of the committioners or the equivilant in lousiana.

Dude, isn't that a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

 

[spring-peeper]

Topics wander.

And i seriousely doubt the fact that people could take their pets when rescued and not in Lousian would make your baised press.

So if i don't tell you, you would never know................

MY biased press? Well, my bias press runs many stories on this issue.

A team of Bark people are leaving for Louisiana Sat Sept 24th, 2005, we will arrive back in Ottawa the following Wednesday probably late.

We plan to bring 25 Katrina dogs back with us to place in permanent loving homes.

We need drivers, vans, money for gas, crates to take and leave down there, any kind of dog related stuff.

We need foster homes to receive the dogs when we arrive back

source

The scale of the disaster wrought by Hurricane Katrina becomes more appalling by the day. We are receiving calls from people who are distressed by the plight of the animals that were abandoned or lost as people fled the effects of the hurricane. They understandably want to help.

The CFHS has communicated with the American Humane Association to see if they needed any assistance from the CFHS and its member societies. At the same time we asked our member societies if they would be able to take in some animals if needed. They sincerely appreciated our words of support and our offer to help but assured us that they did not need help from Canadian societies at this point. Some Canadian SPCAs have sent some of their staff down to Louisiana to help out.

source

"I know a woman who went down to Louisiana a few weeks ago and she wanted to know if people wanted to go down again," said Houston, who has operated Speaking of Dogs Rescue for five years. "I thought about it for a day or two before deciding to go."

The group will head out tomorrow, stopping overnight in Nashville, Tennessee, before arriving in Alexandria.

"The shelter is overflowing with dogs," Houston said, stressing only dogs that were homeless before the hurricane struck will be coming back to Canada. "The last thing we want to do is take a dog back to Canada and have people looking for their beloved pet. Our mission is to make room so the shelter can offer those dogs sanctuary."

Foster homes in Ottawa have already been arranged for the dogs until permanent homes are found, she said, adding the dogs will be vaccinated and checked out by a veterinarian before crossing back across the border.

source

I will be participating in an animal rescue/relief operation in Louisiana and Mississippi next week. The organization I volunteer for, HART (Homeless Animal Rescue Team), along with many other animal rescue groups, desperately needs funds for relief work in the affected area. People can donate money online or, alternatively, buy supplies and donate them to local groups able to accommodate rescued animals.

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And that's just a small sampling from google.

All of these are from one province (your equivilant of a state).

Sooooo - what is OK about this problem? Betcha don't know - you know what that bias press is like in your little country.

 

[nino_savatte]

Your having massive trouble with perspective.

One or two repubuiblican crooks isn't the equal of 95% of the committioners or the equivilant in lousiana.

Ah, but your Republican crook friends are the ones who were running the country, not some southern state shaped like a boot.

May I remind you of the following in case you'd forgotten:

William McKinley - corporate stooge who was led into war with Spain by the media (in other words Wiliam Randolph Hearst).

Ulysses S Grant - alcoholic and incompetent as president. He was a corporate stooge who allowed congress and the cabinet to be bought by railroad barons.

Warren G. Harding - another corporate stooge who allowed the selling off of US Naval oil reserves. His cabinet was full of millionaires who all got even fatter while 'serving' their country.

Richard Nixon - Watergate

Ronald Reagan - lied to the American people about the Soviet 'threat' then lied to them about other smaller countries like Grenada. He was half dead in his second term which allowed the usual suspects to run riot in Washington.

George W Bush - chose a greedy millionaire as his Vice President. Doles out contracts to his friends. In this way Dubya has much in common with Franco who did exactly the same thing: in Franco's case captains of industry would go hunting with the caudillo, in Dubya's case they go duck hunting or ten-pin bowling. Bush is also a failed businessman. He's got an MBA...so what?

 

[lostexpectation]

dead and/or missing

folks on democratic underground were also confused by the low death toll after katrina, until they asked how many missing are there still....?

Sep 30 Katrina Officially missing 10,417; Officially dead 935 LA, 221 MS

supposedly missing? 10,417, or dead, i don't think it will go as high as 10,000 as Nagin worried but much higher then 1,000...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4955324

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9583433/


DeLay indicted - again.

Possibility of life imprisonment this time.

 

[ViolentPanda]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9583433/

DeLay indicted - again.

Possibility of life imprisonment this time.

Well, as the republicans are fond of parrotting, "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime".

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

So: any death toll announced yet?

I see they've already made an estimate for the Pakistan earthquake.

How about New Orleans?

 

[rich!]

Don't ever let me get in a fox hole with you. I'd be happy to frag the pair of us if it stopped you breathing.

ROTFLMAO!

(ahem)

(wipes tears from eyes)

 

[ViolentPanda]

So: any death toll announced yet?

I see they've already made an estimate for the Pakistan earthquake.

How about New Orleans?

Same old same old, loads (thousands) of "missing", around a thousand "dead".

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Maybe I'll write a letter to the editor at CNN or something.

 

[pbman]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9583433/


DeLay indicted - again.

Possibility of life imprisonment this time.

Nice piece of propganda their,they don't even say why they need a new indetments\.

The last grand jury no-billed it.

Earle is jury shoping.

 

[vimto]

Cluck...cluck...cluck

 

[nino_savatte]

So: any death toll announced yet?

I see they've already made an estimate for the Pakistan earthquake.

How about New Orleans?

When it comes to NO, it's just "bad news" and those with an interest in information management (Bush etc) loath the idea that the truth can somehow be bad. In the case of Pakistan, it's happening somewhere over "there" so any reportage of "bad news" is okay because it does not involve or affect the US...nor does it affect Dubya's poll ratings (which are now in the toilet).

 

[nino_savatte]

Nice piece of propganda their,they don't even say why they need a new indetments\.

The last grand jury no-billed it.

Earle is jury shoping.

De Lay is going down and with any luck Rove will be seeing the inside of a prison cell.

 

[spring-peeper]

Am I being really dim, or has there been no announcement of how many people perished in Southern US due to the massive hurricane and floods?

Either this story's been buried, or they've not been counting, or everyone turned up safe and sound after all...

It would seem that the problem with getting the numbers for Katrina is a hold up with the assigning cause of death. If someone had a history of heart problems, then it is possible that it was not Katrina that caused the death. If someone was shot, this is not a Katrina death.

For a good breakdown of the cause of death, a/s/l and other factors, go here

If you are good with a calculator, I'm sure that you can get some figures.

 

[pbman]

It would seem that the problem with getting the numbers for Katrina is a hold up with the assigning cause of death. If someone had a history of heart problems, then it is possible that it was not Katrina that caused the death. If someone was shot, this is not a Katrina death.

For a good breakdown of the cause of death, a/s/l and other factors, go here

If you are good with a calculator, I'm sure that you can get some figures.

Looks like everything is the fault of the press if they hadn't hyped the numbers, the red cross could have gone in and fed/rescued people earlier................

But i'm sure the press will find someone else to blame or complety ignore the issue.