Huge fire at Notre Dame cathedral, Paris

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  1. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    to save me googling what is not a shit building in london

  2. tim

    tim EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)

    A century or so's work for stone masons and and other such traditional crafts folk.
  3. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    It's also less sad than the various modern buildings which are deliberately torn down, with no hope of being saved by public outcry or fundraising. Buildings that in time to come would be just as important as cultural/historical/technological records of the 20th century as ND is of its time.
  4. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    St Pancras Station/Hotel. Paddington Station. Marylebone Station.

    The Gherkin.
  5. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Fair play to the firefighters in Paris
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  6. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    fair enough St pancras is lovely :)
  7. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    Surely the Houses of Parliament/Palace of Westminster or whatever it's name us us mostly just new(ish) anyway? Built in the 1800s isn't all that historical, really, is it? Actually, if it would helpfully burn or fall down it might save the bother and cost of renovating it.
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  8. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    I'm not going to hear the end of this..
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  9. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan knows how to use the three shells

    You what? :D
  10. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

    Are you having a laugh?
  11. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    I'm sorry, I don't understand the difference between a building sponsored by the Catholic Church and ones sponsored by the likes of Andrew Carnegie. Can you explain the moral difference for me?

    (However, I too would am sad then these buildings are demolished or repurposed. So far, the majority of them still stand. I grew up with a Carnegie library built in 1918.)
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  12. tim

    tim EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)

    I've been inside too. It's like a TARDIS but much smaller and more low-tech.
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  13. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan knows how to use the three shells

    And in America, that's REALLY old
  14. Lurdan

    Lurdan old wave

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  15. eagle

    eagle In a galaxy not so far away

    This reminds me of the Siege of Baghdad 1258. That's very sad and unfortunate. 900 years of history suddenly destroyed. They can repair it. They can rebuild. But it will never be like before.
  16. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan knows how to use the three shells

    Like the Death Star
  17. SheilaNaGig

    SheilaNaGig Struggling and striving


    Are you making a particular case for the destruction of buildings of religious significance being rather more meh than that of secular buildings? Or is it Christianity in particular that makes it’s destruction a bit meh?

    The Acropolis/ Parthenon. A religious temple, destroyed deliberately and by accidental disaster several times. Is it just a bit meh that this building was destroyed?

    The Bamiyam Buddhas: is it just a bit meh that these were destroyed?

    How about the unique acoustics of the Babri Masjid, only a story now. But maybe it’s just a bit meh to have lost that, because it was in a religious building.

    What about the recent vandalism at the Ring of Brodgar? The Ring was built with a ritual or religious intent so the vandalism is just kinda meh. Is that what you’re saying?

    What about the Mayan Codices? Not a building, but still a significant part of human heritage, lost now forever. But maybe it doesn’t matter because it was a religious tract...?

    Does the loss of the Bonwit Teller building or the original Penn Station matter more because they weren't religious? What about the Great Pyramid at Giza? That was made because of religion and plenty died because of it: would you feel a bit meh if that was destroyed? It has no real meaning, so maybe it doesn’t matter matter if it exists or not.

    So much of what we’ve made has its roots in religion (maybe less so and increasingly less since the reformation, since the WW1): do you really feel a bit meh about everything that sprung from this deep connection ? We’re less tied to religion these days, and that’s no bad thing. But in the past, when religion was so central and was intertwined with everything, it was necessarily one of the major wellsprings for the creative endeavour. Even in our secular age, architects and artists refer back to religious tenets when making new buildings or art. It’s part of what we are. We can’t realistically draw a boundary between achievements inspired by religious ideas on one hand, and secular ideas on the other.

    How can you give value to one and not the other, based only on the underlying creative impulse? Surely it has to be about artistic and creative merit, no?

    Seeing the artistic value doesn’t mean you automatically support the ideology behind it.

    If you could even manage to make that distinction and create that boundary, then you have to dismiss as less significant any art, architecture, any other creative endeavour that’s been inspired by religion? That would include Bach’s music, the Ellora Caves, Agia Sophia, the Book of Kells, the Blue Mosque in Instanbul, the Chapelle du Rosaire de Vence, all that gorgeous Hindu sculpture...

    Because these were inspired by religious belief, their destruction would be a bit meh...?
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2019
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  18. twentythreedom

    twentythreedom Patterdale Terrorist R.I.P.

    Sad to see a beautiful building burn, but Cstholicism :mad:
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  19. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    May as well bulldoze Stonehenge too....seeing as all religion is shite.

    Wtf is going on with all the hate on this thread?
    You going to start on Muslims and or Jews next? Or is it easier to direct hate at Catholics because they haven't been persecuted in a while so they deserve it now?

    Sectarian bullshit.
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  20. dessiato

    dessiato I have earned the right to sing the blues

    Regardless of its purpose, it was a beautiful building. For that reason alone its loss is indeed a great loss to everyone.
  21. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. I am just waiting for the next tomato..

    Well said.
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  22. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    It's sad to see a beautiful building like that go, although there's something sadder about the fact that fundraising to rebuild it seems to have immediately dwarfed fundraising for Mozambique or any other recent disaster appeals.

    At least rebuilding it will keep the skills required alive or maybe even revive them - the Japanese custom of having a 1,500-year-old shrine that gets taken down and rebuilt every 20 years always seemed quite sensible, though it obviously isn't as solid a building as Notre Dame.
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  23. killer b

    killer b Minimum Waste / Maximum Joy

    I was just reading that the fire was brought under control and the structure is more or less intact so it should be fixable.
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  24. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. I am just waiting for the next tomato..

    That the stonework vaults in the roof survived is testament to the building architects and skill of the stonemasons.
  25. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut ... the Great.

    I am so pleased that they seem to have saved most of it, as well as the contents, and are talking about re-building.

    I've only skimmed read the last few pages, but I haven't seen any hate directed at Catholics, as in the people/followers, just at the church itself, the two shouldn't be confused. I suspect the Church of England, and others, are also hated, but again without hating the people/followers.
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  26. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. I am just waiting for the next tomato..

    Baptists :mad:
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2019
  27. twentythreedom

    twentythreedom Patterdale Terrorist R.I.P.

    Fuck off :facepalm:
  28. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Raddled old poet

    Although myself an atheist, I am able to admire religious-inspired art. I listen to Bach’s religious music, Brahms’ requiem, Mahalia Jackson’s gospel singing, John Coltrane’s A Love Supreme, and on and on. But some people aren’t able to put aside the religiosity. I don’t think that makes it empty posturing. It’s just an outlook I don’t share. But it’s their outlook.
  29. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut ... the Great.

    Some billionaire has already donated 100 million euros (£86m) towards the restoration.
  30. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. I am just waiting for the next tomato..

    Salma Hayek’s husband apparently.
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