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Huge fire at Notre Dame cathedral, Paris

TopCat

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if I go and do the Sagrada Familia tomorrow night with a box of Swan Vesta and a bottles of meths, still the same? Even something of that beauty? I couldn't get a pang out of you?
I will state for the record that if you did that I would gather with like minds and have a few cheery drinks. That you would finish off the brave anarchist attempt generations ago to blow up/burn down that church would be fabulous.
 

tim

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That church and the work involved in building, maintaining and lately visiting it probably put food on the plates of more people in Paris than almost anything else has in the history of the city. The Catholic Church is a vile organization with a shameful history, but one of the very few positive legacies it has left us are those buildings, most of which were built by the local community anyway.

In fact, if you wanted one reason why the Church didn't face even more opposition than it did through the centuries then the effect those buildings had on people would probably be it. You could be appalled by the corruption, by the violence and the hypocrisy but walking into one of those cathedrals, looking down the nave and seeing the sunlight come through stained glass windows is a breathtaking sight even now.
The widespread destruction of religious buildings and religious art during the reformation and the French and subsequent revolutions suggest that people did see these buildings as symbols of clerical oppression.
 

littlebabyjesus

one of Maxwell's demons
Would you feel sad about the Tower of london or the house of Parliament burning down TopCat


just wondering?
Ah now. The HoP burning would elicit mixed emotions from me. It's quite a big lump of a building. Impressive in its way. But I could certainly live without it. More bothered about Notre Dame than either of those, personally. That's an aesthetic choice more than anything.
 

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The widespread destruction of religious buildings and religious art during the reformation and the French and subsequent revolutions suggest that people did see these buildings as symbols of clerical oppression.
Some people did. Others no doubt were more of the view to leave them up because of the nice vaulted and painted ceilings and stained glass.
 

mx wcfc

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During the Civil War, Parliamentary forces used Winchester Cathedral as stables for their horses. I would be comfortable with similar usefulness being found for religious buildings during, and after, the revolution, but their destruction seems a bit unnecessary.
 

Favelado

Half to the Tower, please.
I will state for the record that if you did that I would gather with like minds and have a few cheery drinks. That you would finish off the brave anarchist attempt generations ago to blow up/burn down that church would be fabulous.
Okay yes, but it's absolutely staggeringly beautiful. I'd mourn its beauty.
 

Ax^

Silly Rabbit
Ah now. The HoP burning would elicit mixed emotions from me. It's quite a big lump of a building. Impressive in its way. But I could certainly live without it. More bothered about Notre Dame than either of those, personally. That's an aesthetic choice more than anything.
Hey id be happy if someone went full V for Vedetta on the building

but as symbols of a city the house of parliment and the tower of london are around the same age and historical significance as Notre dame

if i was in ireland i'd of said the GPO or trinity college
 

peterkro

Greasin' on American Express card.
During the Civil War, Parliamentary forces used Winchester Cathedral as stables for their horses. I would be comfortable with similar usefulness being found for religious buildings during, and after, the revolution, but their destruction seems a bit unnecessary.
Notre Dame was used as a food store after the French Revolution.
The Parliament buildings I could do without but Morris' idea for a peoples market would be OK.
 

TopCat

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Would you feel sad about the Tower of london or the house of Parliament burning down TopCat


just wondering?
I would cheer the fiery demise of the Tower of London any day of the week. With the HOP my emotions would be very dependant on how it caught fire. It's symbolic but it's not hard to imagine feeling emotional about it burning if that had been started by some wanna be dictator.
 

agricola

a genuine importer of owls
The widespread destruction of religious buildings and religious art during the reformation and the French and subsequent revolutions suggest that people did see these buildings as symbols of clerical oppression.
Perhaps, though I think its more that the people behind those movements recognized that the ties between a local community and its church were the strongest ones the Catholic church had, so had to be targetted if they were ever to get rid of them. They did after all build their own churches and cathedrals themselves, as well as taking over those which remained for their own use.
 

danny la rouge

Raddled old poet
why is it sad?
Well, it’s sad to me because it’s an historic monument, an iconic example of the French Gothic style, and a testament to the skill and toil of the craftspeople who built it. I’m interested in history and social history, art, architecture, culture and society. This famous monument documents all of these and more. If it is lost, then that is something I feel the loss of.
 

littlebabyjesus

one of Maxwell's demons
Hey id be happy if someone went full V for Vedetta on the building

but as symbols of a city the house of parliment and the tower of london are around the same age and historical significance as Notre dame

if i was in ireland i'd of said the GPO or trinity college
tbh I give little or no shit about most of the things that are considered the symbols of London by the rest of the world. Buck Palace, for instance. Who gives a fuck about that?
 
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I'm generally in favour of appropriation and re-use rather than destruction tbh. these buildings are ours, not the church's.
I'm not advocating burning anything down! Simply a meh attitude when it happens to a big church. Turning churches into social centres can work.
 

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I rather like and admire most if not all Carnegie libraries if that any help. I would be deeply saddened if any caught fire.
 
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