Huge fire at Notre Dame cathedral, Paris

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by a_chap, Apr 15, 2019.

  1. Favelado

    Favelado Half to the Tower, please.

    Do you like skyscrapers Top Cat?
  2. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    the building gets no funding from the state who owns it and there had been reports that money was desperately need to stop the building from crumbling into dust,
  3. tim

    tim Well-Known Member

    Worth a like of hope
  4. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    Second poster to make mention of Humanity. I am thinking Wow!
  5. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. Fishing in the River of Life....

    It’s amazing when something touches your very fibre and affects you like this. I have no doubt that this is what spiritual experiences are. Not religious, just human.
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  6. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    What, when I have a choice of what buildings to put up do I prefer putting up tall ones? I have no influence on the use of land, these buildings appear or endure and I have no input whatsoever.
  7. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

    restoration money would come first from the archdiocese coffers, which probably doesn't have enough to cover it, then from donations. i'd expect that 6-figure donations coming from wealthy individual catholics will pay for the bulk of the restoration.

    the RCC is organized by dioceses, which, as a point of illustration, are the units that went bankrupt to protect against abuse settlements. they can't just stick their hands out to rome for a bailout now, or if they try they won't get anything. it's not impossible that the office of the pope will give some money to paris but even that wouldn't be enough, by the looks of it.
    Catholic dioceses and orders that filed for bankruptcy and other major settlements
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  8. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    That church and the work involved in building, maintaining and lately visiting it probably put food on the plates of more people in Paris than almost anything else has in the history of the city. The Catholic Church is a vile organization with a shameful history, but one of the very few positive legacies it has left us are those buildings, most of which were built by the local community anyway.

    In fact, if you wanted one reason why the Church didn't face even more opposition than it did through the centuries then the effect those buildings had on people would probably be it. You could be appalled by the corruption, by the violence and the hypocrisy but walking into one of those cathedrals, looking down the nave and seeing the sunlight come through stained glass windows is a breathtaking sight even now.
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  9. TheHoodedClaw

    TheHoodedClaw acknowledging ur soup leg

    From a police drone:

    notre dame.jpg

    Clearly the interior has completely gone, and it looks like the firefighters are trying to save the towers. Not good :(

    (Impressed that that scaffolding is still holding out)
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  10. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    how so its over 850 years of history of a city Regardless of its religious roots

    its a symbol of a city and something that has always been part of the city
    part of people daily lives even if they are not religious, a pilgrim/tourist site for people all over the world and part of the french national sense of pride

    why would people not be upset
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  11. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    tbf you kind of make tc's argument for him in that second paragraph.

    The first paragraph is questionable. They could have just paid all the workers the money and not made them work. ;)
  12. Favelado

    Favelado Half to the Tower, please.

    I just mean they're expressions of capitalist power and you'd probably have to hate all of them as well. I like the Chrysler Building.
  13. campanula

    campanula plant a seed

    I am sad, Topcat, because I hate to see a thing of beauty and grace, destroyed. Regardless of it's function as a node of religious power, to me it represents the amazing skill of the builder's - a synthesis of pure engineering, light, colour - a testament to hard-earned competence and pride of thousands of stonemasons, wood carvers, painters, builders, labourers. More than the sum of it's parts.
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  14. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Buildings like these are also monuments to a spirit (in a non-religious sense) that enables people to take part in projects that are bigger than them, to start something that they know they themselves will never see. We have little of that spirit in today's world, it seems to me.
  15. peterkro

    peterkro Greasin' on American Express card.

    "A water reservoir, covered with a lead roof, is located between the two towers, behind the colonnade and the gallery and in front of the nave and the pignon. It can be used to quickly extinguish a fire".

    No idea if it was utilised it may even have been empty because of building work.
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  16. spitfire

    spitfire Toast


    I am also impressed with the scaffoldings durability but it looks to be twisting and have a hole developing in that pic. :(
  17. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    They could have, but they wouldn't. It would have gone to the same place that it did when they stopped building cathedrals.
  18. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. Fishing in the River of Life....

    And for Christians it’s Holy Week.
    Extra upsetting for them.
  19. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    isn't that where the spire would have collapsed into?
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  20. spitfire

    spitfire Toast

    Ah yeah! Good spot, thanks.
  21. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen


    Hours of Étienne Chevalier, Tours c. 1452-1460
  22. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    That actually looks quite promising. The fire is sitting on top of the stone vaulted ceiling. No collapse of that ceiling as far as I can see. They'll probably let it burn out rather than dump water on it and risk cracking or overloading the masonry.

    All the art and relics have been evacuated btw. This is a good clue that the actual interior is relatively safe.
  23. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    I feel a lack of sadness over this church burning down to be clear. I don't hate any buildings.
  24. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

  25. YouSir

    YouSir Look out Laika, it's Earth.

    Didn't ask, don't care.
  26. Favelado

    Favelado Half to the Tower, please.

    if I go and do the Sagrada Familia tomorrow night with a box of Swan Vesta and a bottles of meths, still the same? Even something of that beauty? I couldn't get a pang out of you?
  27. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    Would you feel sad about the Tower of london or the house of Parliament burning down TopCat

    just wondering?
  28. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    Are you religious? is that why you are sad and angry?
  29. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Scientists involved in space exploration is a comparable thing, perhaps.
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  30. YouSir

    YouSir Look out Laika, it's Earth.

    Yes, in fact I'm the Pope, sitting here seething.
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