Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by a_chap, Apr 15, 2019.
Do you like skyscrapers Top Cat?
the building gets no funding from the state who owns it and there had been reports that money was desperately need to stop the building from crumbling into dust,
Worth a like of hope
Second poster to make mention of Humanity. I am thinking Wow!
It’s amazing when something touches your very fibre and affects you like this. I have no doubt that this is what spiritual experiences are. Not religious, just human.
What, when I have a choice of what buildings to put up do I prefer putting up tall ones? I have no influence on the use of land, these buildings appear or endure and I have no input whatsoever.
restoration money would come first from the archdiocese coffers, which probably doesn't have enough to cover it, then from donations. i'd expect that 6-figure donations coming from wealthy individual catholics will pay for the bulk of the restoration.
the RCC is organized by dioceses, which, as a point of illustration, are the units that went bankrupt to protect against abuse settlements. they can't just stick their hands out to rome for a bailout now, or if they try they won't get anything. it's not impossible that the office of the pope will give some money to paris but even that wouldn't be enough, by the looks of it.
Catholic dioceses and orders that filed for bankruptcy and other major settlements
That church and the work involved in building, maintaining and lately visiting it probably put food on the plates of more people in Paris than almost anything else has in the history of the city. The Catholic Church is a vile organization with a shameful history, but one of the very few positive legacies it has left us are those buildings, most of which were built by the local community anyway.
In fact, if you wanted one reason why the Church didn't face even more opposition than it did through the centuries then the effect those buildings had on people would probably be it. You could be appalled by the corruption, by the violence and the hypocrisy but walking into one of those cathedrals, looking down the nave and seeing the sunlight come through stained glass windows is a breathtaking sight even now.
From a police drone:
Clearly the interior has completely gone, and it looks like the firefighters are trying to save the towers. Not good
(Impressed that that scaffolding is still holding out)
how so its over 850 years of history of a city Regardless of its religious roots
its a symbol of a city and something that has always been part of the city
part of people daily lives even if they are not religious, a pilgrim/tourist site for people all over the world and part of the french national sense of pride
why would people not be upset
tbf you kind of make tc's argument for him in that second paragraph.
The first paragraph is questionable. They could have just paid all the workers the money and not made them work.
I just mean they're expressions of capitalist power and you'd probably have to hate all of them as well. I like the Chrysler Building.
I am sad, Topcat, because I hate to see a thing of beauty and grace, destroyed. Regardless of it's function as a node of religious power, to me it represents the amazing skill of the builder's - a synthesis of pure engineering, light, colour - a testament to hard-earned competence and pride of thousands of stonemasons, wood carvers, painters, builders, labourers. More than the sum of it's parts.
Buildings like these are also monuments to a spirit (in a non-religious sense) that enables people to take part in projects that are bigger than them, to start something that they know they themselves will never see. We have little of that spirit in today's world, it seems to me.
"A water reservoir, covered with a lead roof, is located between the two towers, behind the colonnade and the gallery and in front of the nave and the pignon. It can be used to quickly extinguish a fire".
No idea if it was utilised it may even have been empty because of building work.
I am also impressed with the scaffoldings durability but it looks to be twisting and have a hole developing in that pic.
They could have, but they wouldn't. It would have gone to the same place that it did when they stopped building cathedrals.
And for Christians it’s Holy Week.
Extra upsetting for them.
isn't that where the spire would have collapsed into?
Ah yeah! Good spot, thanks.
Hours of Étienne Chevalier, Tours c. 1452-1460
That actually looks quite promising. The fire is sitting on top of the stone vaulted ceiling. No collapse of that ceiling as far as I can see. They'll probably let it burn out rather than dump water on it and risk cracking or overloading the masonry.
All the art and relics have been evacuated btw. This is a good clue that the actual interior is relatively safe.
I feel a lack of sadness over this church burning down to be clear. I don't hate any buildings.
Didn't ask, don't care.
if I go and do the Sagrada Familia tomorrow night with a box of Swan Vesta and a bottles of meths, still the same? Even something of that beauty? I couldn't get a pang out of you?
Would you feel sad about the Tower of london or the house of Parliament burning down TopCat
Are you religious? is that why you are sad and angry?
Scientists involved in space exploration is a comparable thing, perhaps.
Yes, in fact I'm the Pope, sitting here seething.
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