Huge fire at Notre Dame cathedral, Paris

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  1. Cloo

    Cloo Surfeit of lampreys

    Interior surprisingly OK, though I believe organ is fucked.


  2. existentialist

    existentialist Girly swot

    Organs can be replaced. Maybe someone will donate one #hereallweek
  3. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut ... the Great.

    Another billionaire, Bernard Arnault, has now pledged 200 million euros.
  4. Dillinger4

    Dillinger4 Es gibt Zeit

    I don't know why but my immediate reaction to this is not sympathy. Notre Dame is a beautiful building no doubt. But it is still a church. At one time it was almost pulled down by the people of Paris.

    That a billionaire can cough up 100 million to restore it makes me feel even less sympathy. Thats 100 million that could have been spent improving life in the banlieues, but it wasn't accessible for that. Why not make them as beautiful, or at least liveble. Or working on the multitude of problems that France faces.

    I feel like it is the media reaction that rubs me up the wrong way. It is just so unanimous, which it is going to be.

    It's obviously going to be rebuilt. This will be Macrons Grande Projet, maybe this will be the impetus for another recreation of Paris, but not by its people.

    I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but there have been a spate of church desacrations recently:

    Vandalism at hundreds of French churches

  5. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

    This is always a pretty sterile comparison to make. “Why not spend the money on a better cause?” Firstly, everyone would have to agree on what the better causes are. Then you’ve got a problem with extent. If a billionaire should spend his money on poor people rather than rebuilding Notre Dame then surely you and I should give our money to homeless people rather than spend it on beer or holidays, and if everyone prioritised human suffering, animal charities would receive no donations.
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  6. Flavour

    Flavour hang the bankers

    How is it possible that the interior looks that lightly damaged? Doesn't fit with this pic, something doesn't add up for me :confused:

  7. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    Am I missing something here; has the Church of Rome said that it won't pay for the re-build?
  8. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Radio 4 somewhat unbearable this morning. Almost as bad as when Princess Diana died.
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  9. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    And does the insurance cover acts of God?
  10. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Because what's burning is above the vaulted stone roof.
  11. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    That's an aerial view. The roof is undoubtedly gone. The fire rose upwards as opposed to moving down into the building.
  12. Dillinger4

    Dillinger4 Es gibt Zeit

    Isn't charity the teaching of Christ? I don't think Jesus wanted any churches at all.
  13. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    Nah, not an Act of God; merely a consequence of "his" permissive will.
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  14. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut ... the Great.

    From my understanding the upper/outer wooden roof is gone, but the inner stone ceiling has largely survived, preventing worst damage lower down.
  15. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

    That’s neither here nor there. If they said they you’d just have people saying that money should go elsewhere. It’s about the relative merits of the causes rather than where the money comes from.
  16. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

    Well that’s one to take up with the various religions.
  17. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    "Church"....really means the people.
    The fact that someone put a roof over the church heads is another matter.
    And yes....the message of Jesus was that of charity and do unto others as you would have done unto you. The message has been somewhat lost.... and clad in manmade ritual and pomp....but for true believers the message is still a life long commitment.
  18. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    Probably both 'here' & 'there' if there's any question of public money being spent on repairing a building owned by a private, religious corporation well itself able to pay.
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  19. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. I am just waiting for the next tomato..

    I’m sure if Westminster Abbey burnt down the Queen would stump up the repair costs as head of the CoE.
  20. twentythreedom

    twentythreedom Patterdale Terrorist R.I.P.

    This is what happens when priests sodomise choirboys
  21. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut ... the Great.

    It's owned by the French state.
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  22. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. I am just waiting for the next tomato..

    A wooden roof burns much better and more ferociously than a solid three metre deep stone one I surmise.
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2019
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  23. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

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  24. spitfire

    spitfire Toast

    As teuchter says, pic that shows it here:
  25. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    Indeed it does, but for many years the state has declined to finance repair, hence the 'Friends of ND' attempting to raise the £ from public/donors. Raises question of why the Church of Rome would not want to use a relatively small sum from its vast wealth to finance the upkeep of a building exclusively used to promote its particular supernatural belief system.
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  26. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. I am just waiting for the next tomato..

    Or when French roofing contractors leave a bitumen boiler unattended whilst having a standard three hour lunch break.
  27. killer b

    killer b Minimum Waste / Maximum Joy

    sounds great.
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  28. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Without music, life would be a mistake.

    French culture definitely has the right idea about a lot of things, and that’s one of them.
  29. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. I am just waiting for the next tomato..

  30. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Roof fires like this are the reason for stone vaulted ceilings in the first place.

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