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Huge fire at Notre Dame cathedral, Paris

Dillinger4

Es gibt Zeit
Some billionaire has already donated 100 million euros (£86m) towards the restoration.
I don't know why but my immediate reaction to this is not sympathy. Notre Dame is a beautiful building no doubt. But it is still a church. At one time it was almost pulled down by the people of Paris.

That a billionaire can cough up 100 million to restore it makes me feel even less sympathy. Thats 100 million that could have been spent improving life in the banlieues, but it wasn't accessible for that. Why not make them as beautiful, or at least liveble. Or working on the multitude of problems that France faces.

I feel like it is the media reaction that rubs me up the wrong way. It is just so unanimous, which it is going to be.

It's obviously going to be rebuilt. This will be Macrons Grande Projet, maybe this will be the impetus for another recreation of Paris, but not by its people.

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but there have been a spate of church desacrations recently:

Vandalism at hundreds of French churches

A spate of thefts and vandalism in French churches has led to calls for the government to act.

Recent incidents have included a fire in Saint-Sulpice church in Paris, human excrement smeared on the wall in Notre-Dame-des-Enfants church in Nîmes, southern France, and vandalism of the organ at Saint-Denis basilica outside Paris, where all but three of France’s kings are buried.
 

Spymaster

Cockney Wanker
I don't know why but my immediate reaction to this is not sympathy. Notre Dame is a beautiful building no doubt. But it is still a church. At one time it was almost pulled down by the people of Paris.

That a billionaire can cough up 100 million to restore it makes me feel even less sympathy. Thats 100 million that could have been spent improving life in the banlieues, but it wasn't accessible for that. Why not make them as beautiful, or at least liveble. Or working on the multitude of problems that France faces.
This is always a pretty sterile comparison to make. “Why not spend the money on a better cause?” Firstly, everyone would have to agree on what the better causes are. Then you’ve got a problem with extent. If a billionaire should spend his money on poor people rather than rebuilding Notre Dame then surely you and I should give our money to homeless people rather than spend it on beer or holidays, and if everyone prioritised human suffering, animal charities would receive no donations.
 

Flavour

hang the bankers
How is it possible that the interior looks that lightly damaged? Doesn't fit with this pic, something doesn't add up for me :confused:

 

brogdale

Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
This is always a pretty sterile comparison to make. “Why not spend the money on a better cause?” Firstly, everyone would have to agree on what the better causes are. Then you’ve got a problem with extent. If a billionaire should spend his money on poor people rather than rebuilding Notre Dame then surely you and I should give our money to homeless people rather than spend it on beer or holidays, and if everyone prioritised human suffering, animal charities would receive no donations.
Am I missing something here; has the Church of Rome said that it won't pay for the re-build?
 

Lupa

Well-Known Member
How is it possible that the interior looks that lightly damaged? Doesn't fit with this pic, something doesn't add up for me :confused:

That's an aerial view. The roof is undoubtedly gone. The fire rose upwards as opposed to moving down into the building.
 

Dillinger4

Es gibt Zeit
This is always a pretty sterile comparison to make. “Why not spend the money on a better cause?” Firstly, everyone would have to agree on what the better causes are. Then you’ve got a problem with extent. If a billionaire should spend his money on poor people rather than rebuilding Notre Dame then surely you and I should give our money to homeless people rather than spend it on beer or holidays, and if everyone prioritised human suffering, animal charities would receive no donations.
Isn't charity the teaching of Christ? I don't think Jesus wanted any churches at all.
 

cupid_stunt

Dyslexic King Cnut ... the Great.
How is it possible that the interior looks that lightly damaged? Doesn't fit with this pic, something doesn't add up for me :confused:
From my understanding the upper/outer wooden roof is gone, but the inner stone ceiling has largely survived, preventing worst damage lower down.
 

Spymaster

Cockney Wanker
Am I missing something here; has the Church of Rome said that it won't pay for the re-build?
That’s neither here nor there. If they said they you’d just have people saying that money should go elsewhere. It’s about the relative merits of the causes rather than where the money comes from.
 

Lupa

Well-Known Member
Isn't charity the teaching of Christ? I don't think Jesus wanted any churches at all.
"Church"....really means the people.
The fact that someone put a roof over the church heads is another matter.
And yes....the message of Jesus was that of charity and do unto others as you would have done unto you. The message has been somewhat lost.... and clad in manmade ritual and pomp....but for true believers the message is still a life long commitment.
 

brogdale

Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
That’s neither here nor there. If they said they you’d just have people saying that money should go elsewhere. It’s about the relative merits of the causes rather than where the money comes from.
Probably both 'here' & 'there' if there's any question of public money being spent on repairing a building owned by a private, religious corporation well itself able to pay.
 

Sprocket.

There’s comfort in melancholy.....
I’m sure if Westminster Abbey burnt down the Queen would stump up the repair costs as head of the CoE.
 

brogdale

Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
It's owned by the French state.
Indeed it does, but for many years the state has declined to finance repair, hence the 'Friends of ND' attempting to raise the £ from public/donors. Raises question of why the Church of Rome would not want to use a relatively small sum from its vast wealth to finance the upkeep of a building exclusively used to promote its particular supernatural belief system.
 
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