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HTC Hero, Iphone 3g or Iphone3gs?

So unless someone actually owns an iPhone, any opinion they may have about the phone should immediately be disregarded, yes?

That's an interesting critical standpoint to take.

You can twist my words all I like but if I have no serious experience of a product I'd be better off suggesting someone make up their own mind which is exactly my point.

Anyway, I'm not interested in another tedious thread derail about Apple with you so moving on...

In response to the OP if you can afford it the 3GS is far better a buy than the standard 3G iPhone. The extra speed is excellent, and the extra power will be something apps increasing make use of and as you're hoping to have the device for a couple years you'll be future proofed.
 
£440 is a shit load of money though!

It is time to upgrade though- I got the ipod when it first came out, and that cost me £400. I've never had another one and that was 7 years ago!
Hopefully I'll get the same use out of this one...
I am tempted. Going to wait a couple of weeks I think.
 
if you already have a tidy itunes library, the fact that the iphone is also the best ipod they've made (I've used most of them) may seal the deal for you.
 
£440 is a shit load of money though!

It is time to upgrade though- I got the ipod when it first came out, and that cost me £400. I've never had another one and that was 7 years ago!
Hopefully I'll get the same use out of this one...
I am tempted. Going to wait a couple of weeks I think.
The consensus from a lot of reviews was the 3GS was a very good phone but perhaps the 3G offered far better value unless you really needed the (fairly minimal) set of upgrades offered. One of those upgrades was a compass like the one on my G1. It's been used once, I think.

I guess you have to decide whether you can justify spending the extra dosh for the 3GS (if you're going with Apple) and whether the extra features are really needed. I'd be amazed if you got seven years use out of that phone (or any other modern smartphone) to be honest.
 
I really wouldn't bother getting a normal 3G now unless you can find one stupidly cheap. And also really don't have the money. You'll regret it in a year and this is the sort of thing that is a long term purchase.
 
I really wouldn't bother getting a normal 3G now unless you can find one stupidly cheap. And also really don't have the money. You'll regret it in a year and this is the sort of thing that is a long term purchase.

There's little point in getting a 3G now, despite what so called experts think, the 3GS is where the action is man!:cool:
 
Personally, I'd go for the 3GS if I was a new customer.

But you'd have to have way less sense than money to upgrade at the prices o2 want.
 
There's little point in getting a 3G now, despite what so called experts think, the 3GS is where the action is man!:cool:
IF you can afford it, of course. Not everyone can, and you can get much of the same functionality for a lot less with other handsets.
 
One might well wish to purchase something else apart from an iPhone. However, if one wishes to purchase an iPhone, basically it's a waste of time getting a 3G rather an 3GS I'd say.

The 3GS has all sorts of improvements, many under the hood, which will mean that in a year's time the old 3G might start to look out of date. If you already have a 3G you'll already have gotten a lot of use out of it so it won't be such a big deal overall. If you bought a 3G now, you might be a bit put out that it was starting to get dated.
 
The 3GS has all sorts of improvements, many under the hood, which will mean that in a year's time the old 3G might start to look out of date. If you already have a 3G you'll already have gotten a lot of use out of it so it won't be such a big deal overall. If you bought a 3G now, you might be a bit put out that it was starting to get dated.
Any phone you buy now is going to start to look dated in a year's time, such is the nature of technology. The 3GS is - if I'm not mistaken - one of the most expensive mainstream phones currently available in the UK and it seems budget is an issue in this case.

My point was that unless the poster absolutely needs those exact features, he can spend a whole lot less and get something very, very similar. If cash isn't a problem, then obviously the 3GS would be the phone to go for (if he wants to go the Apple route).
 
Oh, sorry- quite right.
I forgot I'm on O2 so don't need it to be unlocked- I was comparing other unlocked with iphone 3gs locked.
That is the comparison that makes sense to me because of my contract
 
I haven't seen a date yet- am I right in thinking that we are still in the dark?

cheers for all the info and opinions guys.

No one on here seems to be pushing for the Hero, just iphone or pre. why is that? Android has a lot of possibilities, and this year sees many new models released- one would expect the application diversity to increase massively with so many new handsets and users...
 
I haven't seen a date yet- am I right in thinking that we are still in the dark?

cheers for all the info and opinions guys.

No one on here seems to be pushing for the Hero, just iphone or pre. why is that? Android has a lot of possibilities, and this year sees many new models released- one would expect the application diversity to increase massively with so many new handsets and users...
A Pre was spotted in London recently so the release date must be near. September was mooted for an Eastern European launch which would suggest we'd get it here before.

I've got an Android phone now and like it, and I've had a lot of time playing with iPhones, but I'm drawn to the Pre for the multitasking and the fact that it doesn't involve submitting to a Supreme Leader who tells me what I can and can not put on my phone.

I've not played with the Hero yet but the interface looks very nice indeed and the specs look on the money too. I don't like phones without a physical keyboard, but if I had to get one, I'd probably look at the Hero.

Android is set to take off a lot more this year but the interface (at least on my G1) lags behind the smoothness of the iPhone.

The thing I've really learnt - and have been a bit surprised by - is how quickly the novelty of all the 'cool' apps wore off and how much I'm missing the simplicity and rock-solid functionality of my old Palm phone. None of the new phones comes even close for basics like calendar/contacts/notes etc...
 
Its just a year since v2 of the iPhone and less for Android. Good solid applications can take substantial dev time, 18 months at least. So expect stuff to appear about this time next year for the Android platform. Just starting to appear for the iPhone but in dribs and drabs, I reckon December time will see more quality.
 
Honestly I cant see android picking up pace against mobile osx. I'm not usually a fan of closed proprietary platforms, but in the mobile space it makes sense. In this market having a open platform causes more problems than it solves. If we look to J2ME thats out there (in one non standard form or the other) on the majority of nokia/sony ericsson and a load of others. This is currently the most open platform for development on a handset at the moment and saying its broken and unstable is being polite.

To develop an application that targets all J2ME phones in the market (all which are supposed to have standards compliant virtual machines) takes at least 7 different versions to support the total lack of standards. Thats 7 different builds, 7 different testing runs and then you have the joy of attempting to detect the model of the handset in the first place due to the carrier ripping out HTTP headers and replacing them with their proxy or worse (content adaptation layers).

Closed platform is great when developing for a phone, you know exactly what your going to get, you dont need all the crazy one of hacks to get a feature working. This leads to better designed and more stable applications.
 
Honestly I cant see android picking up pace against mobile osx.

I can see it selling more handsets, although its quality is yet to be decided. As smart phones become more ubiquitous and reach the mass market, I can see a larger number of handsets at all levels using it, which is will result in more volume then the iphone which is always going to be a premium product.

I see its biggest competition not being osx or web os, but windows mobile. There are shed loads of windows mobile devices sold each year, if it can tap this market it may be on to a winner.
 
The thing I've really learnt - and have been a bit surprised by - is how quickly the novelty of all the 'cool' apps wore off and how much I'm missing the simplicity and rock-solid functionality of my old Palm phone. None of the new phones comes even close for basics like calendar/contacts/notes etc...

The novelty does wear off but I've gotten used to several iPhone apps which are at core pretty damned good.

Palm pretty much _defined_ the mobile calendar app IMO and I've never seen anything as good on any platform; in fact, the old Palm calendar is better than lots of desktops. Certainly the iPhone's calendar doesn't come near it. Lucky I don't use my calendar all that much, but it pisses me off every time I have to.

Notes and stuff were never that great on the Palm and there are some much more advanced apps on new platforms, though strangely not ones I've found very compelling (Evernote, for instance, just leaves me cold, no matter how much people rave about it).

Tasks... the Palm's to-do system was also good, but a bit limited once you got past the immediate unless augmented with something like Agendus, and I think there are some good task apps out there, particularly the really hardcore stuff like Omnifocus. There are also now web task apps with mobile interfaces which compete well, though obviously you need net access to use them. I use Things, which really does do the business - I find it balances complexity vs ease of use very well, particularly being able to easily flag things as "today" wherever they are.

Contacts on the iPhone, I can't complain about, nothing special but it's all tied into the OS so every app can use the data easily. You want contacts to be unobtrusive really and just have their information available everywhere, so that's fine. There's only so much you can do with a contact list.
 
android's weakness is the varied hardware and software. manufacturers are free to modify the hardware and software, which makes developers' job harder as they have so many combinations to target.
 
Tasks... the Palm's to-do system was also good, but a bit limited once you got past the immediate unless augmented with something like Agendus, and I think there are some good task apps out there, particularly the really hardcore stuff like Omnifocus.
Did you ever try Bonsai on the Palm? Or Note Studio?

I can't tell you how much I'm missing Bonsai - it's a simple but hugely powerful task/to-do/outliner app which has a great desktop companion app.

I've also learnt that I don't particularly want some of my data to only be 'in the cloud.' I liked having everything syncing directly to my desktop without the need for a web connection (although a web back up would have been nice) and so I'm now stuck with using the Palm desktop app with no way of accessing the data on my phone.

I tried Evernote and was unimpressed with the clunkiness of it all, and the same goes for Remember The Milk and all the other cloud based ones I've tried.

I can't believe that no one has managed to even come up with a chuffin' calendar app that betters that five year old TMP calendar on the Palm.
 
I bet that a lot of the functionality of those old palm apps was possible because you had a stylus to pick at small interface objects. When all you've got is a finger, designers are forced to have fewer interactable items on screen at one time.
 
I bet that a lot of the functionality of those old palm apps was possible because you had a stylus to pick at small interface objects. When all you've got is a finger, designers are forced to have fewer interactable items on screen at one time.
That is part of the problem. Gesture-packing, all-swiping, finger pointing interfaces may be all the rage, but the big child-like buttons seriously restrict the functionality available on each screen.

I wish someone would invent a screen that supported both types of input, because at times a stylus does the job a whole load better.
 
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