HR first thing tomoz.

Discussion in 'education & employment' started by space-tout, Oct 9, 2018.

  1. space-tout

    space-tout Our house, our house music.

    They blamed the ththieving on me leaving them in the wrong place, which is right. But again lads I've worked with 15+ years.
  2. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    More likely unfair dismissal with disability discrimination. Reminds me of the recent brewdog case tactics.
  3. space-tout

    space-tout Our house, our house music.

    Hi folks, would anyone know for sure that I actually need to raise a grievance against this person at work before I do anything else?
    I've had probably 5 hours sleep since Monday and feel like shit, I can't have a proper conversation with acas at the moment due to this, I could start this grievance process first off?
    I'm OK, just mentally knackered.

    Thank you.
  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    tbh the people to blame are the people who took them, blaming the victim common but inaccurate and unfair.
  5. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat meh

    i'd be inclined to talk to ACAS before doing anything.

    if i understand right, you're currently signed off sick, so unless employers are actively harassing you, things can wait a day or two.
  6. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    Im pretty sure you don’t need to raise a grievance, it doesn’t sound like they know proper process so it’ll make fuck all difference anyway.
  7. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat meh


    I'm not a lawyer, and it's quite a while since i've been a union rep, but ACAS page on constructive dismissal says

  8. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    “Making genuine efforts” does not mean you must raise a grievance.

    Engaging with OH, talking to your boss and hr are all making an effort to resolve the issue.

    The recording of his boss being a dick whilst he is trying to talking to him about it Is evidence of making an effort to resolve the issue.

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  9. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat meh

    I'm not going to get in to an argument which isn't going to help the OP

    What I will say is that just resigning and then seeking advice (and by that i mean properly qualified advice, not web forums) what to do seems generally to be considered not a good idea.

    ETA - I'm also not sure if a recording made covertly (i.e. without all concerned knowing it was being made) would be acceptable evidence in a tribunal.
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  10. space-tout

    space-tout Our house, our house music.

    Hello again, after a bit of surfing I've found I do need to make a grievance at work first off, I have 3 months to do this. I am on my first months paid sick leave so I'm going to start the grievance procedure in 3-4 weeks and then get my second month sick note in. I can't go back as just the thought makes me anxious.

    Later today I will be looking for a union prepared to give advice. Even if there's cost attached.

    I've spoken to a few ex colleagues and they are writing me a reference to my good productivity whilst they have seen the off handed treatment I just ignored at the time. Well I say ignored, I jotted them down on the nearest bit of paper, saving them for such an event as this.

    Top bombing as usual people :)
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  11. space-tout

    space-tout Our house, our house music.

    What a shambles of a thing to be happening?
    All orchestrated by adults? FFS really.

    I've come round a little mentally despite the fact I've had tops 7hrs sleep since Monday. I've just had two nytol and see if I can sleep the rest of Friday off, might ask the gp for something next week.

    Enjoy your weekend folks.
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  12. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    Covert recordings have been accepted as evidence, however the advice is to submit a short extract of the recording with an accompanying transcript, rather than several hours of recordings.
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  13. Chilli.s

    Chilli.s changed the little words

    I thought covert recording, although not allowed, could be done as an "aide memoire" for personal use only. A transcript of that would be hard to deny and possibly lead to incriminating themselves if they did.
  14. space-tout

    space-tout Our house, our house music.

    Spoke to acas yesterday. I do need to get a grievance started, this can wait a couple of weeks. Long haul this one!
    According to Acas, joining a union is a bit late in the day so I'll be fighting this one alone.

    Thanks for any input folks, I hope I can be of help to you at some point.
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  15. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    Even without a union rep, when this gets to the point of having meetings, you'll should still have the right to take a friend in with you. Good luck.
  16. KeeperofDragons

    KeeperofDragons Crazy dragon lady

    I worked in a firm that didn't have a union but anyone on a discaplinery meeting was able to have someone with them. It's worth looking up in you contract or staff handbook
  17. space-tout

    space-tout Our house, our house music.

    Hi folks, yes they allow someone to sit in with you, no one willing amongst my work 'mates' a couple whom have witnessed much over the years but don't want name dropping, they've both made comments about it in the past.
    I was chatting to an old workmate who left the company in similar circumstances.
    He was treated like me, he put a grievance in. Work made life uncomfortable for him he left to go to tribunal. The day after he left WORK solicitors phoned him and told him he would lose £££'s. He sacked it off and started his own business, I spoke to him today and said he was played at every turn.

    I dunno, grievance form going in early next week. Time it right and I'll roll into next sicknote.

    Thank you.
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  18. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

  19. space-tout

    space-tout Our house, our house music.

    Hi folks, well the grievance against the manager was a negative, as was expected.
    One of the claims I made were that I caught him spying on me multiple times, over a long period of time, I once watched him out of the corner of my eye whilst working, he was stood behind a large stanchion Peeking at me? After a few minutes I turned and faced him, made eye contact and he just walked did H/R respond to this? He was checking I was wearing PPE? I said I didn't need to be wearing any on that occasion, they just fell back on that line. I told them I have evidence going back to 2004 of harassment, they said company discretion means they're not going to consider it.
    Total whitewash.

    I did however get a move to a more suitable role, one I asked for 18 months ago. So this has worked out 50/50 for me with the main target being achieved. I have only been back at work 4 days. I only found out on Tuesday I had got my move, so overall I'm happy. Stressful time though so I would like to thank everyone for the kind words and advice, I don't have a large circle of friends so this place is a great sounding board.

    Cheers folks, a bit early but enjoy your holidays.
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  20. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Good to hear that spacey :thumbs:
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  21. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    That's good news space-tout really pleased you got the results you wanted. Nice one :)
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