How's this for a solution?
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rhys gethin
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bruise said:
Bruise - It is a lobbyist organisation in the States, and I'm not sure what the whole of it stands for - the 'A' is 'American' and the 'I' is 'Israel' I'm sure. It is much more powerful and more effective than the National Rifle Association, which is why we are never told about it - though the 'Economist' broke the embargo a few months ago, which is how I found out. It puts up money to help sympathetic politicians, and if any of them dare to make any criticisms of the Occupation of Palestine, AIPAC immediately begins a whispering campaign against them as 'anti-semites', and can very quickly get them seen off , which is why I described it as new-McCarthyite. It is AIPAC that creates that otherwise-inexplicable 100% support for the Zionists in the 'States, and I believe it is currently trying to move in here.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
bruise said:
Probably.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
rhys gethin said:
Here they are.
http://www.aipac.org/
Their current agenda is here
http://www.aipac.org/currentAgenda.cfm
They describe themselves as "America's pro-Israeli lobby". I think there are probably many others who could lay claim to that title.
This sums them up.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Nonsense.
Bruise: It is established science that the Caaanites, among whon the Sea Peoples generally intermingled WERE Mycaenean Greek in language and culture. No one can positively say genetically because to date, no relevant specimen has been found.
Why would you think I would know who AIPAC are? I do not agree with the bulk of their nonsense but I sire do know who and what they are.
Marksl: You fail to understand that neither side wants the "One State Solution." It has been talked about for almost a century and the only world leader still interested in it, in fact a firm proponenet of it, is Khadaffi. That should give you a clear idea of its currency. Even the adrently Marxist groups like PFLP and DFLP reject it out of hand.
Jews and "Palestinians" only wish for safety and security in their OWN LANDS.
Bruise: What "Bantustan" are you fantasising about? The firrst PArttitions envisioned Bantustan [as best an adjective as will be found I feel] for BOTH sides. This changed in 48 when the Arabns attacked newly founded Israel and we suprisingly fought them off. during the 49 Armistice a new line of separation was formed, known as the Green Line.
The Greenline has since become the de facto line of separation accepted as the delineation line by both groups. This was complicated in 67 when Israel gained land abandoned by both Egypt and UJordan but the Egyptiasn land, Gaza, has already been ceded, by Israel, to the "Palestinians" as the seed of their nation to be.
Sadly though, the "Palestinians" have basically shat all over it and have destroyed the limited infrastructure srael had moved inplace. There is still hope though as there relatively moderate elem,ents in place in the guise of Fatah and Abu Mazen.
Although the "Palestinian" "National Unity Govt. which would have ended the stalemate over the freeze of HAMAS related assets has screwed things up a bit the plan is still salvageable. In the end, as it always has been since 1919, the ball s in the "Palestinian's" court.
They must, as they always have had to, make the very first move and then sustasin the momemntum to achieve what they claim to have always wanted. The problem though, and very few Westerners seem to get it, is that the Arabs have a cincepot called "hudna." HAMAS has publicl;y stated, as Arafate before them, that they are engaging in hudna until such time as it is deemed that the "PAlestinians" can acheive a united "Palestine" comprising both their land and the land of Israel.
Bruise, as to your question about AIPAC, they are an American Lobbyist consortium aimed at promoting Israel's interests in the American Govt. I believe that it stands for American/Israeli Political Action Committee.
Why would you think I would know who AIPAC are? I do not agree with the bulk of their nonsense but I sire do know who and what they are.
Marksl: You fail to understand that neither side wants the "One State Solution." It has been talked about for almost a century and the only world leader still interested in it, in fact a firm proponenet of it, is Khadaffi. That should give you a clear idea of its currency. Even the adrently Marxist groups like PFLP and DFLP reject it out of hand.
Jews and "Palestinians" only wish for safety and security in their OWN LANDS.
Bruise: What "Bantustan" are you fantasising about? The firrst PArttitions envisioned Bantustan [as best an adjective as will be found I feel] for BOTH sides. This changed in 48 when the Arabns attacked newly founded Israel and we suprisingly fought them off. during the 49 Armistice a new line of separation was formed, known as the Green Line.
The Greenline has since become the de facto line of separation accepted as the delineation line by both groups. This was complicated in 67 when Israel gained land abandoned by both Egypt and UJordan but the Egyptiasn land, Gaza, has already been ceded, by Israel, to the "Palestinians" as the seed of their nation to be.
Sadly though, the "Palestinians" have basically shat all over it and have destroyed the limited infrastructure srael had moved inplace. There is still hope though as there relatively moderate elem,ents in place in the guise of Fatah and Abu Mazen.
Although the "Palestinian" "National Unity Govt. which would have ended the stalemate over the freeze of HAMAS related assets has screwed things up a bit the plan is still salvageable. In the end, as it always has been since 1919, the ball s in the "Palestinian's" court.
They must, as they always have had to, make the very first move and then sustasin the momemntum to achieve what they claim to have always wanted. The problem though, and very few Westerners seem to get it, is that the Arabs have a cincepot called "hudna." HAMAS has publicl;y stated, as Arafate before them, that they are engaging in hudna until such time as it is deemed that the "PAlestinians" can acheive a united "Palestine" comprising both their land
Bruise, as to your question about AIPAC, they are an American Lobbyist consortium aimed at promoting Israel's interests in the American Govt. I believe that it stands for American/Israeli Political Action Committee.
Nino: Zioninsts do not use Scripture as the basis of anything. WE base our connection to the land now known as Israel to the many ruins found here supposrting out thesis, as well as the various mentions in foreign historical records and such. This land has been Jewish for thousands of years. 950 Jewish Villages were destroyed by Hadrian in the 2nd Century CE/AD. Dig under any Arab village or olive grove and you will find a Jewish one. This is reality. Yet, we have been more than willing, and still are, to share the land with the Arab newcomers.
Rhys: Your fantasy that AIPAC engages in rumor mongering is ridiculous. It is simply one of hundreds of registered political lobbyists in the DC Area.
Nino: You call it nonsense when I state that neither side wants the One State Solution. OK. Please tell us some NON-fringe organisations that hace sided with this agenda within the last 5 to 10 years. By the way, Shalom Achshav, Gush Shalom, and B'tzelem are very fringe here. MAINSTREAM.
Rhys: Your fantasy that AIPAC engages in rumor mongering is ridiculous. It is simply one of hundreds of registered political lobbyists in the DC Area.
Nino: You call it nonsense when I state that neither side wants the One State Solution. OK. Please tell us some NON-fringe organisations that hace sided with this agenda within the last 5 to 10 years. By the way, Shalom Achshav, Gush Shalom, and B'tzelem are very fringe here. MAINSTREAM.
Gmart
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Here is a letter from the Independent:
He also has an article here which is very interesting.
I appreciate that i am not the greatest source about this conflict, but the story coming over from Rachamim seems a little one sided, and so i decided to find another person's point of view seeing as he refuses to accept that anyone other than he has a valid point of view.
It would seem that everyday we get one step closer towards the rest of the world imposing a 1 state solution on the region, though probably there will be an attempt at the 2 state solution first followed by more bloodshed.
He also has an article here which is very interesting.
I appreciate that i am not the greatest source about this conflict, but the story coming over from Rachamim seems a little one sided, and so i decided to find another person's point of view seeing as he refuses to accept that anyone other than he has a valid point of view.
It would seem that everyday we get one step closer towards the rest of the world imposing a 1 state solution on the region, though probably there will be an attempt at the 2 state solution first followed by more bloodshed.
Hamas will never accept two states. That's why the Americans, the EU and the Zionists are colluding to get rid of them.
If the Palestinian people remain united and patient they will get their viable state. That's why the Americans, the EU and the Zionists are colluding to divide them.
If the Palestinian people remain united and patient they will get their viable state. That's why the Americans, the EU and the Zionists are colluding to divide them.
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