How would you use the old Brixton cycle shop if it were your space?

[Dave Mullen]

I mean.

Is this the exhibit in question? If so its even worse than I was led to believe.

 

[IntoStella]

Is this the exhibit in question? If so its even worse than I was led to believe.

 

[fanta]

I mean.

Fuck me!

 

[editor]

To be fair, some of it is abslutely bollocks.

That goes with the territory - that's why I said earlier in this thread, "the art is, not unexpectedly, of very variable quality".

Personally, I usually find it prudent to see the work first before slagging it off or banging on about Damien Hurst, but I guess that's not Dave Mullen's way of doing things.

But I'd still rather have an open squat full of people enthusiastically slapping up bad art than an closed, empty building.

And, of course, they're open to display new work...

 

[IntoStella]

an open squat full of people enthusiastically slapping up bad art

That's a perfect description of the situation. They should put that on the sign outside.

 

[editor]

That's a perfect description of the situation. They should put that on the sign outside.

Well, that's your opinion of course, but I suspect it may be slightly clouded by the personal issues you appear to have with the people running the place.

I'm just judging it as a new, open arts resource in a previously closed building.

And even if it was all awful art (and it's not), I'd rather have the space open than closed.

 

[IntoStella]

Well, that's your opinion of course, but I suspect it may be slightly clouded by the personal issues you appear to have with the people running the place.

You said it

I'd still rather have an open squat full of people enthusiastically slapping up bad art than an closed, empty building.

not me, and you're an 'impartial' observer.

 

[TeeJay]

Ffs - are you going to bother do something so we can stand around taking the piss?

Actually I have to take this back as you often post up cool stuff here that you have photoshopped etc (eg your recent crack squirrels one ).

In fact - why not get some it it put up at BAC ? (if they won't take it from you then use an 'agent' and be anonymous - until it gets put up!).

Surely that would be far better 'revenge' than just slagging people off?

 

[editor]

You said it not me, and you're an 'impartial' observer.

Indeed I am.

I'm just a Brixton punter who appreciates the hard work that goes into opening up an empty building and creating a new arts space.

 

[IntoStella]

Actually I have to take this back as you often post up cool stuff here that you have photoshopped etc (eg your recent crack squirrels one ).

In fact - why not get some it it put up at BAC ?

Because I don't consider it to be art. Visual satire, maybe, but not art. Actually that sounds a bit wanky too.

I'm not an artist. I'm a journalist.

 

[IntoStella]

Besides, I think dogmatique wins hands down on the 'crack squirrel art' front for his frankly disturbing animation of a squirrel-sucking drug fiend.

 

[Dave Mullen]

That goes with the territory - that's why I said earlier in this thread, "the art is, not unexpectedly, of very variable quality".

Personally, I usually find it prudent to see the work first before slagging it off or banging on about Damien Hurst, but I guess that's not Dave Mullen's way of doing things.

But I'd still rather have an open squat full of people enthusiastically slapping up bad art than an closed, empty building.

And, of course, they're open to display new work...

No I don't go slagging things off for the hell of it I do go by information received or try and see for myself. Good that you mention Damien Hurst its because of his success that you get the likes of our person with the toy gun in the box who think they can insult people's intelligence by passing that nonsense off as art.

 

[TeeJay]

Because I don't consider it to be art. Visual satire, maybe, but not art. Actually that sounds a bit wanky too.

I'm not an artist. I'm a journalist.

Sorry, but this is a very poor argument.

There are many local people out there who would probably be fascinated to see a display containing the original thread, various newspaper headlines and the newest 'crack-squirrel-inspired' artwork: it is very eliteist to just do stuff online but then turn around and deny it to the very community that the rest of the London media is chattering about. A display at BAC where anyone could walk in and see the whole thing displayed would make it highly accessible to local people and also be a good chance for them to turn the tables and be able to point, laugh and gossip about the media rather than Brixton be treated like a zoo as always and just have to take it passively.

 

[TeeJay]

No I don't go slagging things off for the hell of it I do go by information received or try and see for myself. Good that you mention Damien Hurst its because of his success that you get the likes of our person with the toy gun in the box who think they can insult people's intelligence by passing that nonsense off as art.

So when are you going to do something for us to pass judgement on?

 

[editor]

Good that you mention Damien Hurst its because of his success that you get the likes of our person with the toy gun in the box who think they can insult people's intelligence by passing that nonsense off as art.

I think you'll find people were making crap art long, long before Damien Hirst started!

You're a bit obsessed by him though, aren't you? I mean, he's got absolutely nothing to do with Brixton Arts and still you're banging on about him!!!

(He does have a local connection though as he used to live in the same Brixton block as me).

 

[Blagsta]

As I've said before I actually appreciate art but a lot of stuff that passes as art is just pretentiousness like the shite that wins the Turner Prize year on year. The Self indulgent twats are the protagonists of such nonsense. Have I made myself clear?

Actually I quite like some of Tracey Emin's, Damien Hurst's and Gillian Wearing's etc work.

 

[IntoStella]

Sorry, but this is a very poor argument.

There are many local people out there who would probably be fascinated to see a display containing the original thread, various newspaper headlines and the newest 'crack-squirrel-inspired' artwork: it is very eliteist to just do stuff online but then turn around and deny it to the very community that the rest of the London media is chattering about. A display at BAC where anyone could walk in and see the whole thing displayed would make it highly accessible to local people and also be a good chance for them to turn the tables and be able to point, laugh and gossip about the media rather than Brixton be treated like a zoo as always and just have to take it passively.

I agree that only producing stuff on the net excludes the many people who still don't have internet access and/or still see it as something that is 'not for them'. I just can't imagine the public clamouring for crack squirrel 'art'. I think the kind of exhibition you suggest -- Dawn of the Crack Squirrel? -- is a very good idea, but would be better suited to a community centre type space than an art gallery. People should be able to observe it while having a drink and, heaven forfend, a fag.

 

[TeeJay]

(He does have a local connection though as he used to live in the same Brixton block as me).

"Famous people who used to live in ****** Block" - would this make a good article? There must be a few.

sorry - edited

 

[TeeJay]

...would be better suited to a community centre type space than an art gallery. People should be able to observe it while having a drink and, heaven forfend, a fag.

The Ritzy?

 

[Dave Mullen]

I think you'll find people were making crap art long, long before Damien Hirst started!

You're a bit obsessed by him though, aren't you? I mean, he's got absolutely nothing to do with Brixton Arts and still you're banging on about him!!!

(He does have a local connection though as he used to live in the same Brixton block as me).

Yes I know. I'm not obseessed he's just the first name that came to mind.

 

[netbob]

Why doesn't someone photograph the full contents of BAC and put it somewhere people can leave their comments (flickr.com or a blog or something)?

That way there might be some consensus on what's crap, whats great and what's mediocre.

 

[IntoStella]

Why doesn't someone photograph the full contents of BAC and put it somewhere people can leave their comments (flickr.com or a blog or something)?

That way there might be some consensus on what's crap, whats great and what's mediocre.

If the 'worth' of art was agreed by concensus then Jack Vettriano would be even more grossly overrated than he is already.

 

[editor]

Actually I quite like some of Tracey Emin's, Damien Hurst's and Gillian Wearing's etc work.

Me too. There's some very good stuff in their combined canon of work.

 

[Dave Mullen]

Me too. There's some very good stuff in their combined canon of work.

Are you having a laugh?

 

[editor]

Are you having a laugh?

Just because you're unable to appreciate it, don't presume that it makes the art of poor quality.

So how much have you actually seen of Hirst, Emin's etc work?

 

[Dave Mullen]

Just because you're unable to appreciate it, don't presume that it makes the art of poor quality.

So how much have you actually seen of Hirst, Emin's etc work?

Passing off a sheep in formaldehyde and an unmade bed as art is just insulting people's intelligence in any case I'm unlikely to see a lot of their work as Hurst has most of his work in Saatchi's gallery and I for one am not going to line that cunt's pockets.

 

[editor]

Passing off a sheep in formaldehyde and an unmade bed as art is just insulting people's intelligence in any case I'm unlikely to see a lot of their work as Hurst has most of his work in Saatchi's gallery and I for one am not going to line that cunt's pockets.

So you actually know very little about their work then?

 

[Dubversion]

Are you having a laugh?

there's nothing more embarrassing than someone with absolutely no idea about art pontificating about art.

 

[IntoStella]

Perhaps you would like to hold seminars at The Brixton Arts Co-op to educate ignorant local people as to what art is? I'm sure this would be a hugely valuable contribution to the community.

 

[TeeJay]

Passing off a sheep in formaldehyde and an unmade bed as art is just insulting people's intelligence in any case I'm unlikely to see a lot of their work as Hurst has most of his work in Saatchi's gallery and I for one am not going to line that cunt's pockets.

Poor excuse.

Have a look here: http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/hirst_damien.html

The Tate also has 16 works. You can see them here: http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ArtistWorks?cgroupid=999999961&artistid=2308&page=1