How will the Hamas gov survive?

[rachamim18]

Moono: Before shouting "yay" so fast, I would advise you to actually examine their cost/ration balance sheet. That bit of spare petro change will not much of anything for anyone, save a few very rich "alestinians" who would have profited regardless.

Humantarian AID, has has been pointed out to you tine and time and time again does not withhold these type of monies from the "Palestinian "People or social system. It is all PR nonsense.


As for Indnonesia which I do nt belive I adressed last time, having recently been to that beautiful nation, the people there are clearly insane in many quarters. Did you happen to get to take a look at photos, circulated on this site, showing 3 little Christian girls with their heads cutt off simply because they refused to say the Islamic credo? I myself witnessed a group called in Bahasa "The Guardians" running around the airport in Jakarta with nail studded boards, whips, and chain loking for "Jews." As I was most certainly the onpy Jews for many miles, and the police sat with tier hands in their pockets, I decided not topush my views much to relief of my terrified wife.

All around SE Asia, from Champa, to Malaysia, to Sulu, to Jakarta it is the same. Any street demo taking place in the region is marked by the very heavy hand of the govt. who always use it as an excuse to siphon off internal dissension while protecting their covertous hold on power.

 

[moono]

You went to Indonesia and weren't arrested ? Pity.

Still, you could have stayed 'home' and seen deprivation .
Any of your IOF buddies recognisable ?

http://www.telrumeidaproject.org/files/CAPTIONED_dr_tayseer_for_web.wmv

http://www.telrumeidaproject.org/media/copyrightQurtubasettlerattacksoliderspolicedonothing.wmv

http://www.telrumeidaproject.org/files/women_in_green_at_qurtaba.wmv

http://telrumeidaproject.org/media/MediaSettlerKidsStonePoliceSoldiersdonothingAugust2005.wmv

http://www.telrumeidaproject.org/fi..._internationals_of_attacking_the_soldiers.wmv

http://www.telrumeidaproject.org/fi...llegally_try_to_enter_internationals_home.wmv

http://www.telrumeidaproject.org/fi...legally_try_to_enter_internationals_home2.wmv

http://www.telrumeidaproject.org/files/2005-08-31_teacher_stlrs_stoning_EDITED.wmv

http://www.telrumeidaproject.org/video.html

 

[rachamim18]

Moono: Why should "I have been arrested? The country has no official religion despite beingthe most populous Muslim nation worldwide. It allows those nutters to run around to get the dissenting activiests off of their back and t seems to work well. The only thing
I could have been arrested for , I was very careful with. When traveling wth my wife I do not take chances.


As for your links, I only bothered with two, are the all the same crap?If so, yes, as an officer in Shechem , formerly in Chvron, I am more than familiar with having to try and keep order between disgrunteled "alestinians" and Jews reclaiming their ancestral lands. First, you only present one suide in a demeaning context and that s not truly exploring any issues. That is simply drawing caticutures of Israeli Jews and that is inexcusable.

A couple of things though should be added. If you look at video link #2, you will find one border policeman in a blue uniform and police hat, as well as least two IDF personel. Their roles are very different. Only the Borderpoliceman has the right to arrest an Israeli citizen, only the IDF in this situation has the righ to to arrest a resident of the "Territories" in a nno-border issue or area. Ergo, when one sees little Jewish kids throwing rocks, by Israel8i law, we [IDF] may only try and get thewm to desist and write them up for further investigation.

In situations just like this, with kids just as young, there have been both detainments, arrest, AND successful prsecution . There is still an infamous 14 year old Jewisg girl who was legally barred from a "Settlement" but continued to return. Her case has been winding its way for m,ore than a year as she sits in prison, becoming a cause de celebre for the right and very religious.

Still more, you fail to portray the many more numerous cases where Arabs have been brutally attacking all sorts of innocent Jews in much the same scenario. Why? Do you not care about facts? Do you not care about learning about the truth of what goes on therte in your hobby of the month?

 

[rachamim18]

Moono: Why should "I have been arrested? The country has no official religion despite beingthe most populous Muslim nation worldwide. It allows those nutters to run around to get the dissenting activiests off of their back and t seems to work well. The only thing
I could have been arrested for , I was very careful with. When traveling wth my wife I do not take chances.


As for your links, I only bothered with two, are the all the same crap?If so, yes, as an officer in Shechem , formerly in Chvron, I am more than familiar with having to try and keep order between disgrunteled "alestinians" and Jews reclaiming their ancestral lands. First, you only present one suide in a demeaning context and that s not truly exploring any issues. That is simply drawing caticutures of Israeli Jews and that is inexcusable.

A couple of things though should be added. If you look at video link #2, you will find one border policeman in a blue uniform and police hat, as well as least two IDF personel. Their roles are very different. Only the Borderpoliceman has the right to arrest an Israeli citizen, only the IDF in this situation has the righ to to arrest a resident of the "Territories" in a nno-border issue or area. Ergo, when one sees little Jewish kids throwing rocks, by Israel8i law, we [IDF] may only try and get thewm to desist and write them up for further investigation.

In situations just like this, with kids just as young, there have been both detainments, arrest, AND successful prsecution . There is still an infamous 14 year old Jewisg girl who was legally barred from a "Settlement" but continued to return. Her case has been winding its way for m,ore than a year as she sits in prison, becoming a cause de celebre for the right and very religious.

Still more, you fail to portray the many more numerous cases where Arabs have been brutally attacking all sorts of innocent Jews in much the same scenario. Why? Do you not care about facts? Do you not care about learning about the truth of what goes on therte in your hobby of the month?

 

[rachamim18]

Moono: Why should "I have been arrested? The country has no official religion despite beingthe most populous Muslim nation worldwide. It allows those nutters to run around to get the dissenting activiests off of their back and t seems to work well. The only thing
I could have been arrested for , I was very careful with. When traveling wth my wife I do not take chances.


As for your links, I only bothered with two, are the all the same crap?If so, yes, as an officer in Shechem , formerly in Chvron, I am more than familiar with having to try and keep order between disgrunteled "alestinians" and Jews reclaiming their ancestral lands. First, you only present one suide in a demeaning context and that s not truly exploring any issues. That is simply drawing caticutures of Israeli Jews and that is inexcusable.

A couple of things though should be added. If you look at video link #2, you will find one border policeman in a blue uniform and police hat, as well as least two IDF personel. Their roles are very different. Only the Borderpoliceman has the right to arrest an Israeli citizen, only the IDF in this situation has the righ to to arrest a resident of the "Territories" in a nno-border issue or area. Ergo, when one sees little Jewish kids throwing rocks, by Israel8i law, we [IDF] may only try and get thewm to desist and write them up for further investigation.

In situations just like this, with kids just as young, there have been both detainments, arrest, AND successful prsecution . There is still an infamous 14 year old Jewisg girl who was legally barred from a "Settlement" but continued to return. Her case has been winding its way for m,ore than a year as she sits in prison, becoming a cause de celebre for the right and very religious.

Still more, you fail to portray the many more numerous cases where Arabs have been brutally attacking all sorts of innocent Jews in much the same scenario. Why? Do you not care about facts? Do you not care about learning about the truth of what goes on therte in your hobby of the month?

 

[marksl]

Huge paradox, hamas wants a palestine state that may incorpate israel but if that happens it means the end to the isreali country as they know it, it morph into something else.

But no one dies in this struggle it just changes to something else.

 

[moono]

rachamim;

Jews reclaiming their ancestral lands

Bollox. Their activities are illegal. The occupation is illegal and the building of settlements is illegal. Israeli 'law' in the occupied territories has been declared void.

What we are witnessing in those videos is state-supported theft. Evidence, rachamim. Ye shalt have thy collare felt.

 

[bruise]

Ye shalt have thy collare felt.

unfortunately this aint going to happen any time soon.

 

[moono]

Oh, I dunno. We can nab them in ones and twos when they venture out to spend the swag.

Don't discount their blind arrogance.

 

[bruise]

Don't discount their blind arrogance.

they have bucket fulls of that - but history so far suggests that Israel can do pretty much what it likes.

 

[moono]

Yeah. Then there was the internet.

 

[rachamim18]

Marksl: I would suggest that at the very least you aqcuanint yourself with the HAMAS Charter. Nobody dies? HAMAS is proud to state that total genocide of world Jewry is one of its long term goals. So, sadly, people would very much die if HAMAS ever got hold of any land holding Jews as part of the population.


Moono: Again, to "occupy," their must first be a nation to occupy. ISraeli troops are deployed on lands that are ancestraslly, historically, and by ?LOW, theirs. They ould only be said to be occupying lands that belonges to Egypt [Gaza] and Jordan [so called "West Bank"] but as most should know, during Armistice talks for the 67 War, both of those nations voided any and all claims to said lands so that noone could claim them. That left Israel, in militariliy possesion of them, as well a the historical custodian of them, with the task of continuous administration of them.

Things change and political landscapes are certainly no exception. Ergo, Israel, being pragmatic at heart, saw that it could not hold onto those two lands without becoming the anathema of what it always prided itself in being, that isa moral liberal democracy. The sole option then was to cede these lands to the million of Arabs now choosing to call themselves "Palestinians."

The correct way to do this would be for the "Palestinians" to field and able and willing negotiating team to come to terms with the myriad of subjects that go hand in hand with nation building. Because of their deep animosity of Israel this could/would not happen so that Israel was left with on choice. QAll it needed was a leader strong and smart enough to see it through.

Former General, and now P.M. Sharon of Likud did see this, reluctantly and more reluctantly still was prepared to commit political suicide. Sharon, unilaterally , with a small contigent of his Cabinet and other party functionaries devised a plan that would leave Israel in as little damage as possible in every sense of the word.


As the world now knows, Sharon was able to see Gaza abandoned and turtned over to the PA but shortly thereafter, suffered a series of debilitating strokes. PRior to this downturn in his health he had begun to coalesce his breakaway faction under the Centrist banner of Kadimah. Central to the Kadimah Platform was the issue of unilateral withdrawal from both Gaza [completed but in terrible danger of a reversal] and the vast bulk of the so called "West Bank." Kadimah fielded OLmert in the National Elections and here we are...with no occupation ever having materialised.


If you are going to discuss politics and history it is better to leave opinions at the door and stick to facts. Least of all me finds it terribly difficult to do so but it must be done. Otherwise no true discourse EVER occurrs.

 

[moono]

You still have the arrogance to offer up Sharon ? Sharon the war criminal ? The Fat Assassin ?

What a hero, rachamim, a slaughterer charged with corruption by your own 'government'.

Oh yes, you'll enjoy this short article. I think it's actually about you, either that or some other ZionBot with the same programmer.

Wishing the Palestinians out of existence

By Bradley Burston

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/796616.html

 

[rachamim18]

Yes, Sharon was INVESTIGATED [and cleared] of corruption by his own goverment but then so is Olmert and every other politician in every nation I can think of. I do not excuse it but offer it as context for the thought you try to engender. Sharon was no war criminal. Sharon did not enter any camos in Beirut, Phlangists did. As for his commando action in the early 50s, they were umimpeachable under current military law and were also perpertrated by all nations in that era.

I have already read that nonsesical article as I have a subscritption to the print version of the lefty toilet paper. Pray tell, do you read any other Israeli media or do you solely depend on those versions that echo your thought processes? You might actually learn something weere you to open up your horizons and read for example Ma'ariv, Channel 7's WebSite, and so on.

 

[moono]

Haaretz will do fine , thank you. Israeli affairs reported by Israelis for the enlightenment of everybody.

 

[rachamim18]

Why not peruse other orientations though? Why simply stop with the left?

 

[moono]

It might seem 'left' to you, but that's because you're a far-out freak .

 

[rachamim18]

Ha'aretz itself describes itself as such which you would know if you bothered to actually read the paper Moono.

 

[bruise]

Sharon was no war criminal.

 

[moono]

Ha'aretz itself describes itself as such which you would know if you bothered to actually read the paper Moono.

Dipstick. Ha'aretz might describe itself as 'left' ( although it probably doesn't ) but it's still 'right' from here.

 

[marksl]

rach do you sometimes take hamas out of context do they really want to genocide the whole jewish race. I could understand they want revenge of some sort or other but what you suggest in your posts is very disturbing.

Do you really believe this? or giving out a very pro israel view that excludes hamas at all costs.

 

[moono]

He will now direct you to a document from the 1980s, conveniently called the Hamas Charter, which has no signatories but he will tell you that this is current Hamas thinking and that the signatories are listed in the Avalon Project, which is tripe.

Other than that he doesn't have a clue what Hamas think. Neither does his derelict government.

 

[rachamim18]

Marksl: No, I do not take HAMAS out of conext. They have this in their Charter, they also state that Jews caused the Holocaust, victimised the Germans, have been responsible for everywar since the French Revolution, control the worlds banks and media and so on. I have posted a link to the Charter so you should read it, it is amazing. The thing is, none of the 25 other terr organisations fighting against Israel have anything kinder to say.


The HAMAS Charter was written in the 80s and never abridged or altered. You can go to HAMAS' website and find this out yourself. Do not take either my, nor Moono'd word for it. Search for the truth. I also wanted to add, the Avalon Project that Moono complains about is opart of Yale University, what better mai9nstream source could one hope for?



[edited to add last sentence]

 

[moono]

The Avalon project also files documents such as McCarthy's lists of card-carrying communists in Congress but nobody is suggesting that the document is current, you fraud.

You ought to take your hasbara to a kiddies site. You might manage to deceive a couple.