sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
It's always going to be a problem as I play a right old mix......
But if anyone happens to be looking for a Sunday afternoon every now and then I'd like to hear
How well do you know your music?
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It's always going to be a problem as I play a right old mix......
But if anyone happens to be looking for a Sunday afternoon every now and then I'd like to hear
Metal Malcolm
ODT resident emo
It's always going to be a problem as I play a right old mix......
But if anyone happens to be looking for a Sunday afternoon every now and then I'd like to hear
I doubt the mix would be a problem - the best shows have some sense of variety. The problem is needing to be consistent, if you get a slot, you have to commit to being there every time, and you'd be surprised how easy it is to get demotivated. Hungover shows are not fun.
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
Yeah, hence I reckon I'd be up for once a month, but not per week.....
If worse comes to worse I could get a guest mixer in easily enough
In recent years he's been playing bang up to date stuff - did you miss the drama around his music being "too future"
100% this. Just looking at a record invokes a range of emotional attachments that I just don't get with mp3's. When you're in the mix and looking to shape a vibe / mood / whatever I just find it easier with actual records.
Yeah this too! On my radio show I'd always prided myself in playing 95% brand spanking new stuff. But having to collect 40 odd (quality) songs every 2 weeks for the show is draining and takes a lot of commitment. I'm not moaning mind, I do it cause I love it.
Recently I decided I would stop doing this and just take time to revisit and enjoy all music I already have. But its so ingrained in me too look for new stuff its like a habit I can't stop. I've pretty much honed my sources network and I can't leave them alone - if I hear something new I like I have to track it down. If an artist I like drops an EP I'm buying it. I do wonder when I will stop - but no signs of that happening just yet.
Metal Malcolm
ODT resident emo
Aye - I was going to suggest Brap. Cracking station run by good people, and i'm sure happy for a mix of whatever you want
tbtommyb
Well-Known Member
That 10-15 top tracks is a v good idea, will give that a whirl.
Yeah you're completely right tbh, I felt that even when I was writing the op. I guess I always think there's my new favourite song out there.
Plus tbh I think it comes from discovering a new genre. Like when I was a teenager I listened to loads of indie and rock, so there's tonnes of songs I don't have any more that I still know off by heart, either because I once had them or I heard it so many times on MTV2 or what have you. or I would have a fair idea of what hte band sounded like even if I didn't know the individual tracks.
but whereas I built up that knowledge over years now I'm doing it in weeks or months. And then it leads you into ragga or dancehall or soul or funk and you realise how much stuff there is out that that i have no idea about... still no excuse really.
Yeah you're completely right tbh, I felt that even when I was writing the op. I guess I always think there's my new favourite song out there.
Plus tbh I think it comes from discovering a new genre. Like when I was a teenager I listened to loads of indie and rock, so there's tonnes of songs I don't have any more that I still know off by heart, either because I once had them or I heard it so many times on MTV2 or what have you. or I would have a fair idea of what hte band sounded like even if I didn't know the individual tracks.
but whereas I built up that knowledge over years now I'm doing it in weeks or months. And then it leads you into ragga or dancehall or soul or funk and you realise how much stuff there is out that that i have no idea about... still no excuse really.
ska invita
back on the other side
one of the great things about these days is how much more open to different genres people seem to be - i may be wrong, but I think peoples identities were much more tied up in one or two styles of music, and aren't as much anymore...so download on I say! Im still in awe of the internet and the possibilities it gives to discover new things..i think better to have a vague knowledge of all the music out there than a bookish knoweldge of just one style
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tbtommyb
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yeah that's definitely true. No more punks and mods and all that. And even if you do get interested in a particular genre it's so much easier to trace it back to its roots and what influenced it, don't have to piss around with rare LPs or out of production CDs.
But then it's a shame that people only scratch the surface. Even fairly specialised outfits like Horse Meat Disco don't seem to play many songs that wouldn't have been fairly commonplace back in the day. It's like whole sections of popular music have sunk underwater, only remembered by a couple of tracks that everyone knows.
ska invita
back on the other side
have to disagree on that - do you ever listen to the Horse Meat show on Rinse? It was on today in fact - every Sunday. They dig so deep, the show is amazing. Today we had an excursion into Brazilian disco, amongst all the other bits they play.
In fact Id say the opposite - certainly in the roots reggae scene there is so much digging, re-releasing, sharing of info, and so on, its never been easier to get familiar with previously truly obscure music. Nothing is allowed to sink away these days! For some thats the problem (such as Simon Reynolds in Retromania)
skyscraper101
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These days I rely on Fishco to dictate my music collection.
ska invita
back on the other side
whats been your experience of Horse Meat Tommy? I can only think you've been unlucky...
tbtommyb
Well-Known Member
Maybe I'm just showing my ignorance and not realising what's obscure and what's not. I was thinking of how many artists I've first heard through HMD who, upon looking on Discogs, turn out to be fairly prolific and well-known in the genre. As if the genres they play are generally not widely known and so you don't need to dig so deep. But i'm pretty sure that's just me not knowing enough to know when they've really dug out something special - tbh even Denise LaSalle was a revelation so that's the level I'm at. It's a cracking show on Rinse
ska invita
back on the other side
well it all seems pretty deep digging to me - 2hrs a week, dont seem to play the same track twice much, and i like they play tunes to their fellow dj, which they seem not to know. Theres only so many disco records got made in a relatively short year span...my impression is that they dig deep... what do you reckon Orang Utan?
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
I would say they dig well deep.
I'm not sure I get tommy's point about the records being by fairly well-known artists. They're not to the listeners - well not to me anyway!
I'm not sure I get tommy's point about the records being by fairly well-known artists. They're not to the listeners - well not to me anyway!
tbtommyb
Well-Known Member
probably it's me being completely new to it so not having the knowledge of what's well-known and not. someone could have plenty of releases, so look popular to me looking up discogs, but not be actually well known.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Of course they were popular!
tbtommyb
Well-Known Member
I thought crate digging was about finding the not so popular, obscure but still great stuff?
ringo
Macaroni cheese controller
There's definitely something in this. When I was a nipper everyone I knew felt they had to identify with one particular youth culture, so Punk wouldn't have listened to soul, a metaller wouldn't have touched pop etc. People did swap allegiances wholesale though, the devout metaller who then became a mod and covered up his tats was entertaining.
xslavearcx
time for a nu-metal revival?
Know im gonna sound like some wanky old scenester git, but i think thats what sucks about being a muscio these days about how readily available music is via the internet. I mean back in the day, took a lot of effort and buying a lot of duds with very limited funds (ie pocketmoney) to earn ones stripes as it were. Yeah sure the elitism sucked but so does being able to become aquainted with the entirety of x genre with one torrent. think it was the gradual temporal nature of getting into a particular form of music that made one really appriciate it.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Exactly. You heard about a legendary track that was a must-have. It was on a 12" EP you couldn't find anywhere. You eventually tracked it down and it was shite. (Or was the greatest thing ever. Whichever).
Either way, you listened to it! And you knew which EP it was on, and what the name of the track was.
Sorry for sounding ancient. I'm not against technology, but I think music has become devalued.
xslavearcx
time for a nu-metal revival?
and now we have hipsters instead!
xslavearcx
time for a nu-metal revival?
exactly that famous quote by woody allen i think encapsulates it perfectly
"I took a speed-reading course and read War and Peace in twenty minutes. It involves Russia."
getting into a particular form of music was not really a process that one can speed up. i think the way things are now i can't really believe that people can develop a deep appriciation of what they are listening to by downloading the entirety of the genre in one click. that kinda process takes time.
as for internet i think it helps me deepen an already existing knowledge of stuff that im into and also its good for downloading stuff that i lost years ago and maybe some things that i couldnt get back in the day. i think also if i want to download some band that i want to listen to on a whim i think thats fine as well.. but i agree with the general point about devaluation...
Must check out this HMD show on Rinse!
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Or OLD, and therefore unfamiliar to listeners now.
tbtommyb
Well-Known Member
ah but that's kind of my point. As the tracks are old but well-known in soul/disco, so someone who had slightly more than a passing knowledge of the genre would be familiar with them already. perhaps what's happened in this specific case is that relatively few people listen to *just* soul, funk and disco and the genres aren't well-known beyond a few classics. But to crate dig in, say, rock, you'd have to go way more obscure because plenty of people listen exclusively to rock and we're constantly being told about how great fucking Clapton or whoever is.
The Times has been running a 'pop school' of late, giving lists of top 20s and so on. The guy who did the top 20 guitarists chose slightly less well-known guitarists, on the basis that everyone's heard of the usuals. Cue loads of letters about how great xxx was at Woodstock and how it was a travesty they weren't included. So tedious.
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