poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I think it will actually make it worse, as a thriving black market will spring up to supply "no questions asked" booze to young and underage drinkers.
How to oppose this "think 25" shite?
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I think it will actually make it worse, as a thriving black market will spring up to supply "no questions asked" booze to young and underage drinkers.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I think that's exactly what ought to happen.
I also think if anyoen sees someone being hassled for ID, they should coem tot heir side and give verbal support. It probably won't make a great deal of difference, but the person being hassled will see that they are NOT alone in being pised off. Having a bit of support and solidarity also makes a world of difference to how they feel and increases confidence to stand their ground. Out of a crowd of, say, 10 witnesses to an act of solidarity of this kind probanly 1 or 2 will do the same next time they see this happening. Gradually, a trend would grow for people to make a fuss over this shit whenever they see it - maybe even in larger and larger groups.
Eventually, the chains would get it through their nasty thick heads that this was causing more hassle than it's worth.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I don't know ... I've already seen a few angry altercations breaking out over this. Remember times are hard already and people look forward to a drink after a day of shite. Being refused on the absurd grounds that they don't have a passport/ID card could often serve as a "final straw moment".
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Yep. Come to the support, very visibly, of anyone you see getting hassled for this. Make it a common sight and something that others become more inclined to do.
Yep again. This patronising and insulting way of trying to get people to view being hassled as some sort of virtue is deeply insulting to the intelligence, imo.
I, for one, would be very offended at being told to prove I'm not a criminal. Which is what this amounts to.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Why should we have to?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Nother tactic worth employing. I don't want to inconvenience the till worker for this shite, but it would be an additional way of getting the snese of discontent through.
You can bet your life on it.
Again, you can bet your life on it.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
You see? No-one benefits from this crap. Apart from the assortment of twisted, neo-puritan shitbags and petty authoritarians that seem to be infesting the national discourse at the moment.
I doubt it ... and even if they do a few underground suppliers are going to be easier to deal with if the vast numbers of licensed sources are effectively policing themselves.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
It's part of a wider picture of stuff that's taking us towards a big brother society bit by bit in increments. It's odious and should be faught.
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It's only under 21 here, not seen anything asking for over 25!
It's about a year since anyone has been so completely blind enough to ask me that, and I think they were younger than me by about ten years too.
Not had any probs in the past using a bank card as ID.
You've only needed to prove you're over 18, not over 21 anytime I've been asked. Just as well as I don't have a drivers license or passport.
It's about a year since anyone has been so completely blind enough to ask me that, and I think they were younger than me by about ten years too.
Not had any probs in the past using a bank card as ID.
You've only needed to prove you're over 18, not over 21 anytime I've been asked. Just as well as I don't have a drivers license or passport.
subversplat
writer of wrongs
Nah they're all fakes - my last licenced employment had a great display in the staff area of various fake IDs on a poster and the game was to try to confiscate as many real-life examples as possible and add them to the display.
That said, though, I think this "think 25" is an absolute cock, just like "Challenge 21" - it's an insult to the service staff, basically saying "You're too thick to determine who is old enough, so ask everybody for ID."
As a licence holder I'd rather leave it to the staff's discretion whether somebody was 18 or not and then deal with the fallout if they ever did get stung, rather than pre-empt the life out of everything - not that I've ever had staff in the first place, like.
There's a difference between:
(1) expecting stores and their staff to properly exercise their obligations not to supply alcohol to those under age and
(2) a scheme which is ridiculously paranoid (such as the under 25 thing).
We should be clear which of these we are opposing.
I support (1) and think (2) deserves the same sort of response as "You can't take photos in swimming pools" and "School sports day because of (entirely fictitious) "health and safety rules" because it's too sunny". That is lots of pointing and laughing at those who are unable to make common sense, justified decisions and hide behind "the rules".
subversplat
writer of wrongs
The absolute worst thing that happened in regards to this was when my friend and his then-girlfriend were shopping in Morissons (it's always fucking Morrisons
) and had some average, regular-octane alcohol with their usual food shopping. He was asked for ID and didn't have any, so his girlfriend stepped in and cheerfully produced her ID and said she'll make the payment, but this wasn't good enough because apparently she might give him the booze outside and that wasn't allowed 
Well of course she was - it was to be had with their perfectly legal dinner in their perfectly legal home 
Fucking jobsworths.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Anyone with at least half a braincell can see all this is totally fucking idiotic and indefencible.
The absolute worst thing that happened in regards to this was when my friend and his then-girlfriend were shopping in Morissons (it's always fucking Morrisons
Fucking jobsworths.
Hang on mate before calling anyone a jobsworth, and the same with another poster calling people working on the till, 'till monkeys'.
Trading Standards send in young kids to attempt to buy beer.
If they are severed Trading Standards come back with the police and ask to see the manager. The poor underpaid person who works on the till gets a 80 pound fix penalty fine from the policeman, and could get sacked.
A bit of respect for the poor people who work there, who work for crap pay and horrible shifts.
They have to ask for ID because they have been told to do so, otherwise they get sacked. And jobs are not easy to get at the moment.
Some of the poorest paid workers are supermarket workers, so let's not refer to these people as ''till monkeys'' or ''jobsworths''.
subversplat
writer of wrongs
No, bollocks to that - I fully appreciate that till staff are at risk of being stung by the police. If you'll read just a few centimetres higher you'll see that I am, infact, an alcohol retail licence holder myself (BII certified, the works) and there is no need for the situation I described to take place. Even if the tillworker had been directed not to make a sale to somebody without ID (overly dogmatic, but what do you do?) they should have at least accepted the sale with his girlfriend who had a valid UK passport at the time.
It's this "erring on the side of caution" with people who are over twenty that rightly gets peoples goats up and this particular worker was the exact description of a "More than my job's worth" annoying fucker.
No. Fucking idiots.
There was absolutely no reason based on the law to refuse that sale. Don't blame a sensible (in my opinion) law for the fuckwitted way it is addressed by idiots.
Blindly following stupid rules when they defy common sense is idiotic. Anyone, in any job, with any responsibility needs to be able to make proper, sensible judgment calls. Hiding behind "it's the rules" is not a valid excuse for fuckwittery on the part of the individual worker. Making such rules (if they actually have - when you look at them you often find they are NOT as rigid as many individual members of staff portray them) is fuckwittery on the part of management.
All of this is yet more evidence of our fucked up approach to risk of any type.
Seems some on here have got something against low paid supermarket workers.
Do you think they like working there? Some may, but most work there because they have no choice.
If they sell beer to underage customers, they get fined and could lose their job.
It's not them who have brought in the 25 rule is it!
Do I detect a bit of snobbery towards supermarket workers?
They deserve respect, and not abuse of some who think they can talk to shop workers how they like, because they are only shop workers.
Got a problem with the 25 rule? Then abuse the owners of the supermarket chains, not the poor bastards who have to work in supermarkets.
Do you think they like working there? Some may, but most work there because they have no choice.
If they sell beer to underage customers, they get fined and could lose their job.
It's not them who have brought in the 25 rule is it!
Do I detect a bit of snobbery towards supermarket workers?
They deserve respect, and not abuse of some who think they can talk to shop workers how they like, because they are only shop workers.
Got a problem with the 25 rule? Then abuse the owners of the supermarket chains, not the poor bastards who have to work in supermarkets.
It is fucking ridiculous.
The kids who want to drink in the park at 13 will find a way to get it with our without this cuntstickery. I saw a woman who was mid to late 20s get refused alcohol cos of lack of ID.
Yet another thing which deals with the problem in the wrong way.
The papers are complaining about the millions of supposed kids standing on street corners downing cans of beer - well let's face it, it starts in the home. Whether or not they make it trickier to make adults in their earlier 20s, who are legally able to buy booze, to buy it, will not solve that problem.
The kids who want to drink in the park at 13 will find a way to get it with our without this cuntstickery. I saw a woman who was mid to late 20s get refused alcohol cos of lack of ID.
Yet another thing which deals with the problem in the wrong way.
The papers are complaining about the millions of supposed kids standing on street corners downing cans of beer - well let's face it, it starts in the home. Whether or not they make it trickier to make adults in their earlier 20s, who are legally able to buy booze, to buy it, will not solve that problem.
How is telling a 25 year old that they can't buy a beer without a passport going to stop 'pissed up youngsters'?
I don't know about other places, but in Newcastle, the people all going round getting 'pissed up' and that in the city centre in bars are considerably older than 25. Most of them look totally over the hill, it's like they've been stuck in a small town their whole lives and getting hammered and starting a fight it all they've got.
That said, if someone IDs me, I'll buy them lunch
"Yeah.
It's about having decent families who DO allow their kids a little bit of beer, and not getting all hysterical about it, and spend time with their kids so they they don't hang around outside getting shitfaced with other kids or whatever.
Yeah - and do you think that that is fair cause to insist 24 year olds have a passport with them to buy a can of beer?
There's all this fuss about "kids drinking alcohol", and then I get to thinking about the old truism that if you treat people like children (eg by demanding that 25 year olds should carry a nice note from Mummy to say it's ok for them to buy booze), they'll behave like them.
I wonder to what extent the ongoing process of infantilising the population of the country is actually creating many of the behaviours we're always being told it's supposed to be tackling?
Is the cure going to end up being worse than the disease?
I wonder to what extent the ongoing process of infantilising the population of the country is actually creating many of the behaviours we're always being told it's supposed to be tackling?
Is the cure going to end up being worse than the disease?
Oswaldtwistle
Banned
And ASDA seem completely unabashed. As if all the guff these outfits spout about "customer service" counts for nothing when it comes to *gasp* selling alcohol to people.
We're getting more and more like the US on some things, and it isn't pretty.
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